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61 Post author: Grognor 08 January 2012 07:01PM

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Comment author: ctl 08 January 2012 10:43:03PM 4 points [-]

I don't think his explanation for why a chair pushes back on your hand is quite right, either. I've mostly been told that material solidness comes from the Pauli exclusion principle, not electrostatic repulsion.

I don't know quantum mechanics, so I don't have a good perspective on the problem, but the electrostatic explanation has always seemed lacking to me. The electric charge in a neutral atom is fairly well-approximated by a symmetric sphere of negative charge with a bunch of positive charge at the center, so two atoms shouldn't experience much electrostatic repulsion until their electron clouds overlap. At which point [I've heard] the PEP should dominate the electrostatic force.

Can any physicists or physics students comment?

Comment author: [deleted] 15 January 2012 03:56:05AM 0 points [-]

Pauli exclusion holds neutron stars and atomic nuclei apart. ie. much denser than atomic contact.

Even with the clouds overlapping, I think it's mostly electromagnetic. They are too sparse for exclusion to be significant.

To get any deeper, we would need someone who understands the source and mechanism of exclusion.

Comment author: TobyBartels 27 January 2013 11:55:17PM 0 points [-]

The Pauli exclusion principle applies to all fermions, including both electrons and nucleons. The PEP for nucleons is what keeps neutron stars from collapsing (normally). But the PEP for electrons keeps electron clouds from overlapping (much).