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Comment author: MixedNuts 13 January 2012 05:55:14PM 33 points [-]

Read the reference Ozy gave.

WIE: Sally Miller Gearhart, in her article "The Future—If There Is One—Is Female" writes: "[...] The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately ten percent of the human race." What do you think about this statement?

MD: I think it's not a bad idea at all. If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males. People are afraid to say that kind of stuff anymore.

Admittedly, this can be interpreted as sex selection of gametes and embryos, not disappearance of currently living people.

Your model of feminism is probably wrong. Feminists are varied and complicated. Some parts of feminism are completely rotten and people in them claim that all porn is rape, that rape of men doesn't matter, that no woman enjoys blowjobs. In particular, Mary Daly said some awful things about trans people, and refused male students in her classes.

Comment author: [deleted] 13 January 2012 07:23:57PM 4 points [-]

"[...] The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately ten percent of the human race."

I imagine females will also be reduced to 10%. Gender is pointless. I know I'd like to be (sexually) female sometimes, futanari (is there an english word for this?) sometimes, and male sometimes, and the rest of the time something totally different. Probably with tentacles. I think I'd like to be totally sexless sometimes too.

When you spend enough time on certain places on the internet, radical feminists look like conservatives on gender issues.

Comment author: thomblake 13 January 2012 07:58:06PM 3 points [-]

When you spend enough time on certain places on the internet, radical feminists look like conservatives on gender issues.

Indeed. Reading about the details of sex between one "male" and one "female" partner as though it's the only kind of sex, really reads to me like trying to enforce a (outdated and sexist) traditional view of how humans are supposed to self-identify and relate to each other.

Comment author: thomblake 13 January 2012 08:01:06PM 1 point [-]

futanari (is there an english word for this?)

Depending on what you mean by futanari, 'hermaphrodite' or 'shemale' are common, though the latter is almost surely slang (and checking what Google has to say on the subject is almost surely NSFW).

Comment author: MixedNuts 13 January 2012 09:07:37PM 2 points [-]

The latter is a slur.

Comment author: thomblake 13 January 2012 09:12:52PM 2 points [-]

Well, by that link, both "transvestite" and "hermaphrodite" (NTM "it") were on the list of slurs. I think it was just indicated as a slur for transsexual people, not inherently a slur.

Comment author: [deleted] 14 January 2012 01:12:36AM 1 point [-]

I'll just keep calling it futa. It's the only word for that mode of being that I have not seen used offensively.

Comment author: wedrifid 14 January 2012 03:07:29PM 0 points [-]

I'll just keep calling it futa. It's the only word for that mode of being that I have not seen used offensively.

I must say that I haven't seen it used offensively either. Nor, for that matter, have I seen the sun rise && false.

(ie. Using the word futa may not be optimal for communicating object level content with people who speak English.)

Comment author: [deleted] 15 January 2012 03:23:55AM 0 points [-]

good point

Comment author: Raemon 14 January 2012 06:29:24PM 1 point [-]

Modern, generally accepted term in english is intersexed

Comment author: thomblake 14 January 2012 08:41:20PM 3 points [-]

I'm pretty sure "intersexed" is more general than the sense of "futanari", or at least the sense meant above.

Comment author: MixedNuts 13 January 2012 07:37:02PM 0 points [-]

"No-op trans woman"?

Comment author: arborealhominid 15 December 2012 02:31:39PM 1 point [-]

Technically accurate, but not general enough. A futanari, as I understand, is a person who has a penis, but otherwise has the physical characteristics typically designated "female" (breasts, wide hips, etc.). A no-op trans woman would fit this description, but so would someone who started out with the typical "female" phenotype but had their genitals modified and kept the rest of their body the same. (As far as I know, this hasn't happened in real life, but it's theoretically possible.) Also, though I'm not aware of any such condition, I suppose there could be an intersex condition that produces a "futanari" phenotype. (If anyone is aware of one, I'd be curious to hear about it.)

Comment author: MugaSofer 15 December 2012 05:17:28PM 0 points [-]

I dunno. The option would be nice, but I think I'd still spend easily 90% of my time as a "male" and I doubt that's unusual; the categories of "male" and "female" still have meaning if some women spend their holidays as dolphins.