Comment on Help, help, I'm being oppressed!

Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:18:37 GMT

That's by far THE most... optimistic view of human psychology I've ever seen expressed on LW/OB.

I contest both the factual assertion and the implications. The number of times I've seen 'save the world' sentiments expressed seriously on this site should make any cynic grumpy. As for the implications, I admit I could be giving Sailer too much credit. Do you think you could be giving him too little?

Also, he's awfully whiny for a Straight Old-School Manly Guy.

...what? Where are you going with this?

From your second link:

Notice that the pro-gay comment is Michael Bailey's line, not Sailer's.

WHY on earth would homosexual "recruitment" would be a bad thing at all, if homosexuality is a legitimate and respectable trait of a person?

To me, 'pro-gay' implies "I want homosexuals to live fulfilled lives" not "I want there to be more homosexuals," though 'anti-gay' does imply "I want there to be less homosexuals." Suppose homosexuality is worse then heterosexuality, in a manner similar to how, say, deafness is worse than hearing. If deafness were contagious, there would be strong arguments for quarantining the deaf, whereas if deafness were not contagious, there would be strong arguments for accommodating and including the deaf.

That is, the questions "homosexuals are here, what do we do with them?" and "how many homosexuals should we have?" are very different questions.

Evil Orwellian Social Engineering according to him

Where is this coming from?

if he were to investigate the same class of issues and come upon the same conclusions (for example) in 1950s US. He'd be just a usual old-fashioned inquisitor and Moral Guardian, enlightening the public about the misguided, irresponsible, deceitful perverts undermining Western institutions.

It doesn't look like that's the case for race, though, so I'm not clear on why you believe this.

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