David_Gerard comments on Utopian hope versus reality - Less Wrong

23 Post author: Mitchell_Porter 11 January 2012 12:55PM

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Comment author: J_Taylor 12 January 2012 05:55:15PM 3 points [-]

I am certainly not saying that.

What I am saying is that many of the products we buy every day are produced by cheap laborers whose lives are not-so-great. (This is obvious, of course.) It is not apparent that Western Europe could have its quality of life without this cheap labor. To only take into account Western quality of life when deciding our current society's utopia-status without taking into account the quality of life of our foreign laborers is, well, just not cricket.

Comment author: David_Gerard 13 January 2012 12:29:31PM *  5 points [-]

Obesity is a worldwide problem, not just a first world one. Imagine: we can now count as a problem having too much food. Food was rationed in Britain just sixty years ago. We have better problems than we did in living memory.

Comment author: J_Taylor 18 January 2012 10:46:01PM *  1 point [-]

Certainly. I have no problem with modern global society being considered more utopian that all previous societies. Technology is cool like that.