Shephard comments on Meetup : Seattle, Diseased Thinking and evidence on parenting - Less Wrong

3 Post author: jsalvatier 11 January 2012 04:33PM

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Comment author: jsalvatier 11 January 2012 08:36:31PM 1 point [-]

I didn't know you were from Seattle! Definitely give me/us a message if you visit.

I am in general interested in seeing Caplan's work publicized on LW. I may do it myself at some point. If we come up with anything other than "what Caplan says makes sense for the most part" I'll be sure to at least make a discussion post.

Comment author: Shephard 12 January 2012 08:46:39PM 0 points [-]

I've been reading up on Caplan's ideas, and I plan to cause some serious trouble, so it should be interesting.

Comment author: juliawise 07 February 2012 06:42:32PM 0 points [-]

I'm not in Seattle, but I read the book recently and would love to hear your "trouble".

Comment author: Shephard 03 March 2012 05:22:23AM *  1 point [-]

Sorry, I didn't respond to this sooner. We actually ended up having a long and by no means conclusive conversation about this.

There's a lot more to it but the two biggest problems I have with Caplan are as follows:

  1. He relies a great deal on separated-at-birth twin studies. These studies tend to include subjects in the dozens, and are prone to a number of mitigating inconsistencies (After all we're not talking about rats here. You can't just engineer the perfect circumstances, and the window of time between science being sufficiently advanced and the intentional separation of twins beginning to be frowned upon is extremely narrow).

  2. He makes the assumption that most (if not all) mental traits are heritable in a linear fashion. For example that alcoholism begets alcoholism. This obviously can and does happen, and the identical replication of certain mental traits may indeed be largely a result of genetics, but it leaves no room for the degree to which a parent's alcoholism may result in gambling, depression, eating disorders, anger issues, or some other drug addiction instead (which I think is more than a little plausible).

I also found Caplan to be extremely glib in general. His arguments had the tone of pronouncements, and the lay-people (to whom the book is marketed) are likely to read that as "These are accepted truths in the scientific community at large" which is decidedly not the case.

Btw, I highly recommend "In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts", Gabor Mate's book about addiction. It's not an exact counterpoint to Caplan's position, but it's definitely a perspective that's based on some very different assumptions.

Comment author: jsalvatier 13 January 2012 07:03:19PM *  0 points [-]

Great! Looking forward to this.

Comment author: ESRogs 12 January 2012 11:40:20PM 0 points [-]

Who are you?

Comment author: Shephard 13 January 2012 01:26:21AM 1 point [-]

Someone jsalvatier invited to this meeting. Who are you?

Comment author: ESRogs 13 January 2012 01:56:20AM 1 point [-]

Someone who will be there. Looking forward to meeting you. :)

Comment author: Shephard 13 January 2012 06:28:32AM 0 points [-]

Likewise.

Comment author: [deleted] 13 January 2012 01:41:38AM 0 points [-]

Wrex.