Open Thread, January 15-31, 2012

OpenThreadGuy

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If it's worth saying, but not worth its own post (even in Discussion), then it goes here.

(I plan to make these threads from now on. Downvote if you disapprove. If I miss one, feel free to do it yourself.)

Want to get mind-killed HARD? I mean, frothing at the monitor hard? Here's his opinion on the Norway massacre.

...If it was militarily possible to free Norway from Eurocommunism by killing a hundred communists, or a thousand communists, or ten thousand communists, we might have an interesting moral debate over whether this butcher’s bill was worth paying....

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, if you could ask Hitler and a random leftist from the academia in the 1930 whether 1) the sky is blue and 2) Stalin is an evil butcher, they'd perform equally well on 1) and you'd have to support Hitler over the leftist on 2), but still. This is not "deliberate hardcore contrarianism". This is not even trolling - go ask /b/, they're the internationally acknowledged authority. Moldbug is spitting on the graves of innocent teenagers slaughtered by an evident psychotic.

Yes yes we all know Blue tribe clearly acts as an apologist for greater atrocities than Green.

[insert emotional screed against Green here]

11[anonymous]14y

He says that a certain amount of lives is worth a regime change. This is not a controversial position in the real world. No one for example would in polite society say that regime change in 1945 in Nazi Germany was not worth the lives of 40 or 4000 young or 40 000 young men or women. He also calls the man a butcher, and clearly is implying that change can not be achieved by terrorism nor even conventional military action. Considering the discussions that are calmly had on LessWrong (infanticide for starters) I can produce a dozen such "incriminating" out of context quotes. Come to think of it you can get quotes of me saying that infanticide is not as bad a crime as killing an adult, that incest among consenting adults should be legal, ect. Will you use that when itching to win a argument with me? Also Robin Hanson has said that 9/11 isn't a big deal. Aha that's something I can use! How dare he spit on the graves of ... oh wait no actually that would be an inappropriate thing for me to say. Even on a pure level of instrumental rationality, calmly pointing out the above quote and linking to it and asking if say I agree or not, would made him look much worse as well as being equally effective at any point you are trying to make. Also I would respond by stating the truth (as I shall now), that I haven't read it so far and that I haven't yet done the calculations about how many lives changing Norway's government to Marxist-Leninism/Anarchy-Syndicalism/Futarchy/Fascism would be worth, but that I suspect considering there are few better alternatives if any, and that Norway has such a small population that it wouldn't amount to more than ~5. Unless there is a really awesome form of government I don't know about yet. I get it you really really hate Moldbug, but I'm basically currently of the opinion that the only one getting mindkilled here is you. Why couldn't you discuss the points and maintain the usual level of discourse? I fail to see how this was the right course o

7steven046114y

No thank you. LessWrong is a no froth zone. Please take it elsewhere.

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