Nornagest comments on POSITION: Design and Write Rationality Curriculum - Less Wrong

54 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 19 January 2012 06:50AM

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Comment author: Nornagest 20 January 2012 12:22:42AM 7 points [-]

It crossed my mind as well. Hopefully it's just a placeholder name; an association with Scientology is a really bad thing if we're trying to avoid accusations of cultishness, particularly if katas or similar exercises are going to be a fixture of the organization.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 January 2012 01:59:15AM 5 points [-]

Placeholder name, check. We don't really have any good names at the moment.

Comment author: jimrandomh 26 January 2012 04:01:23PM *  3 points [-]

One problem with pitching "rationality" is that implying that someone lacks rationality puts them on the defensive; it sounds as though you're trying to bring people from below-baseline up to baseline, rather than from baseline to a higher level. I've gotten better reactions when using the phrase "advanced sanity techniques". Suggesting that someone study them conveys the existence of a higher level, without being perceived as a status attack. I think that if the name is descriptive, it's important that it contains something ("advanced" or an equivalent word) which clearly communicates the fact that it is not aimed at low-status people.

Comment author: [deleted] 26 January 2012 05:20:47PM 1 point [-]

Advanced critical thinking skills?

Both "rationality" and "sanity" imply that the person to whom the class is addressed isn't rational or sane. OTOH people already tend to think that "critical thinking skills" are a good thing to learn. (i.e. the popular cached thought: "A liberal arts degree may not prepare you for a specific job, but it does impart valuable critical thinking skills")

Comment author: thomblake 26 January 2012 04:08:29PM 1 point [-]

Absolutely agreed. While rhetorically it might work cross-purposes to "raising the sanity waterline" (in the sense of raising people's expectations about "sanity"), it would be good to have a term that says "There's nothing wrong with you, but here's a way to be even better that you might not know about".

Comment author: Solvent 20 January 2012 05:02:16AM 3 points [-]

We don't really have any good names at the moment.

What "bad" name ideas do you have?

Comment author: [deleted] 20 January 2012 05:04:51AM 21 points [-]

Rationality Org

Comment author: katydee 20 January 2012 06:35:19AM 4 points [-]

Best wiseass LW comment I've seen thus far.

Comment author: Solvent 20 January 2012 05:33:24AM 4 points [-]

sigh yes, thank you.

Comment author: Bugmaster 20 January 2012 04:31:05AM 4 points [-]

I like "Waterline", as proposed by Alicorn.

Comment author: lessdazed 20 January 2012 08:24:10PM 7 points [-]

My friend says it makes her think it has to do with boating. There should be a separate focused attempt to come up with the best name.

Comment author: Wrongnesslessness 20 January 2012 09:50:05PM 6 points [-]

I agree. The waterline metaphor is not so commonly known outside LW that it would evoke anything except some watery connotations.

So, what about a nice-looking acronym like "Truth, Rationality, Universe, Eliezer"? :)

Comment author: bbarth 21 January 2012 04:35:44AM 2 points [-]

Seriously? This place already has a rep for being a personality cult. Let's not purposefully reinforce it. ;)

Comment author: PhilSchwartz 23 January 2012 09:41:44PM 2 points [-]

If there is concern that people outside of LW won't know the metaphor, then the name "Rationality Waterline" can be used at first with the goal of gaining enough recognition to move on to simply "Waterline" at a later date.