Dreaded_Anomaly comments on How I Ended Up Non-Ambitious - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Yvain 22 January 2012 04:51:00AM *  48 points [-]

Generic "ambition" is a serious case of putting the cart before the horse. If you have ambition to do something, that's great; if not, deciding you should be "ambitious" and then trying to figure out what to be ambitious about rarely ends well.

I think this is why I get creeped out by ambitious people sometimes. I'd much rather my doctor be passionate about medicine than be someone who decided medicine was more "prestigious" than nursing. As a personal anecdote, I am currently in medicine because I want to specialize in psychiatry. I am passionate about psychiatry and plan to be an awesome psychiatrist. I am not quite as passionate about organic medicine with its heart attacks and kidney infections, and although I work hard at it and am pretty good, some of my classmates who get up every morning super excited because they've dreamed of treating kidney infections their whole lives are better. I don't begrudge them this and if I ever got a kidney infection I'm going straight to them and not to the doctor who went into medicine as a subgoal of something else; if they ever get depression I hope they'll come to me for the same reason.

I understand it's the same in many other fields. Paul Graham writes that successful startup founders start with a problem they want to solve, eg Larry Page and Sergey Brin were frustrated with terrible online search; unsuccessful startup founders decide they would really like to earn fantastic amounts of money and only worry about what business they'll do it in as an afterthought.

The only problem here is charity: I do think it may be morally important to be ambitious in helping others, which might even include taking a lucrative career in order to give money to charity. This is especially true if the Singularity memeplex is right and we're living in a desperate time that calls for a desperate effort. See for example Giving What You Can's powerpoint on ethical careers. At some point you need to balance how much good you want to do, with how likely you are to succeed in a career, with how miserable you want to make yourself - and at the very least rationality can help clarify that decision.

Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 23 January 2012 01:29:54AM 8 points [-]

Generic "ambition" is a serious case of putting the horse before the cart.

...cart before the horse?

Comment author: Yvain 23 January 2012 02:11:33AM *  7 points [-]

Every time I have ever used that phrase I have gotten it wrong, even when I specifically think about it beforehand and resolve not to get it wrong this time. I think it's because there are two related sayings, "keep the horse before the cart" and "don't put the cart before the horse", and I always sort of combine them.

Thank you.

Comment author: Nisan 23 January 2012 05:39:48PM 14 points [-]

Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres prefers the phrase

Like starting a meal with dessert, only bad.

Comment author: Alejandro1 24 January 2012 01:41:41AM 8 points [-]

Another possible memory aid: "Sum, ergo cogito" = "putting Descartes before the horse".

Comment author: khafra 23 January 2012 05:52:52PM 4 points [-]

In this instance, it might help to remember that following your true passion wherever it leads is keeping the course before the heart.

Comment author: Vaniver 23 January 2012 07:04:22PM 2 points [-]

Try visualizing it?

Comment author: wedrifid 23 January 2012 05:43:49AM 1 point [-]

Every time I have ever used that phrase I have gotten it wrong, even when I specifically think about it beforehand and resolve not to get it wrong this time. I think it's because there are two related sayings, "keep the horse before the cart" and "don't put the cart before the horse", and I always sort of combine them.

Some (who have a different attitude towards ambition) would perhaps consider the mistaken version appropriate!

Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 23 January 2012 02:58:47AM 1 point [-]

You're welcome!