TheOtherDave comments on The Human's Hidden Utility Function (Maybe) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Multiheaded 24 January 2012 05:35:37PM *  2 points [-]

'Ha ha! Love and friendship were actually in the other two!'"

This concern is not-abstract and very personal for me. As I've said around here before, I often find myself exhibiting borderline-sociopathic thinking in many situations, but the arrangement of empathy and ethical inhibitions in my brain, though off-kilter in many ways*, drives me to take even abstract ethical problems (LW examples: Three Worlds Collide, dust specks, infanticide, recently Moldbug's proposal of abolishing civil rights for the greater good) very personally, generates all kinds of strong emotions about them - yet it has kept me from doing anything ugly so far.

(The most illegal thing I've done in my life during the moments when I 'let myself go' was some petty and outwardly irrational shoplifting in my teenage years; reflecting back upon that, I did it not solely to get an adrenaline rush but also to push my internal equilibrium into a place where this "superego" thing would recieve an alarm and come back online)

What if this internal safety net of mine is founded solely upon #2 and #3?

(* As I've mentioned in some personal anecdotes, - and hell, I don't wish to drone on and on about this, just feeling it's relevant - this part of me has been either very weak or dormant until I watched Evangelion when I was 18. The weird, lingering cathartic sensation and the feeling of psychological change, which felt a little like growing up several years in a week, was the most interesting direct experience in my life so far. However, I've mostly been flinching from consciously trying to push myself towards the admirable ethics of interpersonal relations that I view as the director's key teaching. It's painful enough when it's happening without conscious effort on your part!)

Comment author: TheOtherDave 24 January 2012 06:05:18PM 2 points [-]

Do you have any particular reason for expecting it to be?

Or is this a more general "what if"? For example, if you contemplate moving to a foreign country, do you ask yourself what if your internal safety net is founded solely on living in the country you live in now?

Comment author: JoachimSchipper 25 January 2012 12:38:08PM *  2 points [-]

I'm not Multiheaded, but it feels-as-if the part of brain that does math has no problem at all personally slaughtering a million people if it saves one million and ten (1); the ethical injunction against that, which is useful, feels-as-if it comes from "avoid the unpleasant (c.q. evil) thing". (Weak evidence based on introspection, obviously.)

(1) Killing a million people is really unpleasant, but saving ten people should easily overcome that even if I care more about myself than about others.

Comment author: Multiheaded 26 January 2012 10:57:02PM 0 points [-]

Rougly that; I've thought about it in plenty more detail, but everything beyond this summary feels vague and I'm too lazy currently to make it coherent enough to post.

Comment author: Multiheaded 24 January 2012 06:07:53PM *  0 points [-]

Do you have any particular reason for expecting it to be?

It feels like I do, but it'll take a bit of very thoughtful writing to explicate why. So maybe I'll explain it here later.