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Really? Assuming you are a conventionalist name a utility function that will generate these policy implications under the assumption that
and I will tell you why the policy implications of your utility function aren't what you thing they are.
I don't "think" anything through because I flinch from the thought, because I see no way to avoid taking on the "Cold-hearted racist white asshole" manufactured identity when thinking it through seriously!
Could you please send me a private message with some examples of what you have in mind, assuming some utility function you could find agreeable? I promise I'll take them lightly.
Ok, let's dump race, it's a red herring here anyway. Would you favor "affirmative action 2.0 on a massive scale" for people with low IQs?
I don't know! This is a painful, confusing and ethically hazardous topic that I'm currently trying to learn how to handle. Again, could you please message me with a list of your tenative policy suggestions for such a situation?
I more-or-less agree with Eric Raymod's suggestions in this blog post.
Color-blind policies and other "objective" policies in hiring, etc can easily be taken to an absurd conclusion when you end up rewarding and punishing people, by means of status at the very least, for their genes.
Imagine that racial group X, which makes up 20% of a given nation, has been proven at great length to be strongly genetically predisposed towards inferiority at all but 5% of jobs in that society. What do you do when the remaining 15% are forced to compete in an environment where most of them are more or less handicapped from birth? Do you leave them to beg and scrounge? Put them on welfare? Create low-status make-work?
The racial part here is irrelevant and is only serving to mind-kill you.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. The distribution of jobs in society isn't written down on tablets. If they have some comparative advantage then the market can find niches for them. Or are you saying that the 15% have zero marginal product? In that case, it's going to be a problem no matter how you organize society and pretending the problem doesn't exist won't make it go away.
They would have had a pretty good marginal product if not for the top 25% of their minority, but they're only genetically predisposed towards one thing, and others like them (the top 25% who get hired) are superior to them at it. Nonetheless, the bottom 75% could still compete with people outside the group, if there was enough demand on the market for the only job they do so well. Yes, it's going to be a problem in any society - but it already is in some regards; there's no perfect solution, but what would you do about it in practice?
You seem to be confusing being "predisposed" to do something, with being unable to do anything else. Perhaps, I should have mentioned in my previous post how extremely implausible the zero marginal product scenerio, i.e., that they are literately incapable of doing anything else is.
Sigh. Of course they're perfectly able to do other things! It's just that all the other people on the market are better at those other things.
Sterilize them all? Wire their brains to make them get extreme pleasure from servitude, then enslave them all?
Are you still glad that you sought beyond the outer gates? It is possible that the shadowy elite refrain from discussing these topics because most people are not sane or prepared enough to handle them. Not that I claim membership; I'm not quite ready for it yet.
Also:
I have little that binds me to the comfort of ignorance. Don't have any explicit grand goals or long term plans; my relations with the people in my life are emotionally impaired (although better than they could've been, given the ways in which my wiring and psychology appears deviant); peace of mind appears overrated to me anyway.