Luke_A_Somers comments on I've had it with those dark rumours about our culture rigorously suppressing opinions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: notmyrealnick 26 January 2012 10:19:59AM 6 points [-]

If sexual consent achieved by manipulation is equivalent to rape, does that imply that pick-up artists are rapists?

Spending time building up a relationship of trust and liking with a person that you want to have sex with is called "dating" and considered normal when it is in the context of two adults. The same activity is called "grooming" and considered horrendous manipulation when it is in the context of an adult and a child. Just because trust has been built up on purpose does not make consent founded on that trust false.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 26 January 2012 04:24:46PM 4 points [-]

It isn't equivalent. Grooming isn't simply being nice and complimenting and trying to get close. It's also about isolating the target and eliminating their ability to perceive their escape options.

That's not okay, to put it mildly.

Comment author: notmyrealnick 26 January 2012 08:52:46PM 5 points [-]

In the cases where that happens, you are right, it is not okay. Is that universal, though? Like I mentioned in my other reply, I looked at wikipedia's entry about grooming before making my comment, and it did not mention isolating the child.

The entry could just be deficient, of course.