Eugine_Nier comments on I've had it with those dark rumours about our culture rigorously suppressing opinions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 21 March 2012 11:55:10PM 2 points [-]

That's one of the reasons why I'm so attracted to Socialist thought; it has wrestled long and hard with the problem of motivation, although it has produced nothing solid but various criticism of the existing solutions.

The reason it's spent so long wrestling with the problem is that it refuses to accept the solution, namely holding people responsible for their actions.

Comment author: Multiheaded 22 March 2012 10:18:11AM 0 points [-]

I bet that, if you saw a world where all people were truly "held responsible for their actions" (and treated as agents, of course - a cardinal sin from my perspective), you'd recoil in horror and take that back.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 23 March 2012 03:55:58AM *  3 points [-]

I bet that, if you saw a world where all people were truly "held responsible for their actions" [...], you'd recoil in horror and take that back.

Why? In this world the laws of nature already hold people responsible for people's actions, just not necessarily their own actions.

(and treated as agents, of course - a cardinal sin from my perspective)

From my perspective it is a cardinal sin not to, and given the results of capitalism vs. socialism I would argue I have a better case. Remember whether you model them as agents or not, people respond to incentives. If you refuse to treat them as agents, the incentives you give them are very likely to be perverse.

Also, I couldn't help but notice that you're treating both Aurini and myself as agents especially in this thread where you're trying to get me to repudiate Aurini's statements.