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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 09 February 2012 12:59:56AM 2 points [-]

The way it works is: if people are keeping the basilisk a secret for the sake of protecting others (even if it increases their own punishment), that means that those people value protecting others over their own safety. Therefore, a more effective way to punish them, is to torture those they're trying to protect.

Comment author: private_messaging 02 June 2012 05:08:36PM *  0 points [-]

In Newcomb's a good agent will 1-box in emulator and 2-box in reality if it could tell apart sim and reality. Even a tiniest flaw in the emulation results in lack of incentive for following through with the basilisk threat. You need a very dumb decision theory for the agent to just torture people for no gain.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 June 2012 12:27:02AM 3 points [-]

Yes, and in that case the basilisk isn't a problem at all. My point is that under any decision-theoretic assumptions Eliezer's strategy of secrecy doesn't help.

Comment author: private_messaging 03 June 2012 06:32:33AM *  0 points [-]

Well, yea. The whole thing is just stupid, how-ever you look at it.