billswift comments on The Substitution Principle - Less Wrong

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Comment author: billswift 26 January 2012 02:27:17PM 0 points [-]

How popular will the president be six months from now? becomes How popular is the president right now?

I wish people would quit using this as an example of a fallacy. With the gross uncertainties involved in predicting presidential popularity, "current popularity" is probably the best predictor available.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 26 January 2012 02:57:35PM 3 points [-]

It was mentioned as an example of a substitution, not necessarily a fallacy. Like I say in the next paragraph, the heuristic does work pretty well most of the time.

Comment author: wedrifid 27 January 2012 01:55:17PM 0 points [-]

I wish people would quit using this as an example of a fallacy. With the gross uncertainties involved in predicting presidential popularity, "current popularity" is probably the best predictor available.

Not true. Popularity isn't an efficient futures market.

Comment author: [deleted] 27 January 2012 05:44:01PM 0 points [-]

OK, what would be a better predictor of “popularity six months from now”?

Comment author: prase 03 February 2012 12:29:07AM 1 point [-]

Depends on the situation, but for example the president is reliably much more popular just after his / her election than two years later. To expect current probability just after the election to equal the president's popularity two years later is stupid.

Comment author: Jack 27 January 2012 04:53:29PM 0 points [-]

Nor are existing futures markets.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 27 January 2012 08:13:51AM 0 points [-]

When asked at the beginning of a president's term, when we know he'll be less popular in six months, it is a fallacy.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 26 January 2012 03:37:33PM 0 points [-]

That's fair, as long as my confidence in that prediction is correspondingly low.
The problem arises when I treat current popularity as predicted value of future popularity with high confidence.

Comment author: gwern 26 January 2012 03:45:26PM -1 points [-]

With the gross uncertainties involved in predicting presidential popularity, "current popularity" is probably the best predictor available.

People like Nate Silver do not agree with that at all.

Comment author: orthonormal 26 January 2012 08:37:04PM 3 points [-]

That's a little strong. From this pair of articles, it looks like a President's approval ratings are a poor estimator of their reelection chances when considered 2 years away, but quite a good one when considered 6 months out. The volatility in opinions seems to operate on timescales of several months.

Nate will of course include factors other than current polling averages in his forecasts, but those averages are the main component, even with the uncertainty in a few months' time.