Alicorn comments on Help! Name suggestions needed for Rationality-Inst! - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Alicorn 28 January 2012 02:51:31AM 21 points [-]

I got a positive reception for "Waterline" in my comment here.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 28 January 2012 03:06:52AM 14 points [-]

The name should be meaningful or at least not confusing to the general population.

Comment author: Anubhav 28 January 2012 03:31:50AM 9 points [-]

That really sounds like an unnecessary constraint. It's not as if the only thing people are going to hear about the organisation is the name; presumably they'd also hear something about what it does.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 30 January 2012 12:22:09AM 2 points [-]

In my view, a name that doesn't need to come with an explanation is worth more than a name that makes for good in joke.

Comment author: Anubhav 30 January 2012 03:20:02AM 2 points [-]

In my view, a name that doesn't need to come with an explanation is worth more than a name that makes for good in joke

False dichotomy. "Meaningful names are better than in-joke names" is not the same thing as "the name must necessarily be meaningful".

Comment author: Alicorn 28 January 2012 03:19:44AM 3 points [-]

Why?

Comment author: lessdazed 28 January 2012 03:46:19AM 12 points [-]

One friend of mine said that it was confusing not just because he didn't know why it was relevant, but because the word "Waterline" has no strong positive connotations.

Comment author: RobertLumley 28 January 2012 03:20:23AM 5 points [-]

If the goal is to promote rationality, it seems counterproductive to have an offputting name...

Comment author: Alicorn 28 January 2012 03:24:15AM 15 points [-]

"Waterline" isn't off-putting, just opaque. So are things like "Oxfam".

Comment author: steven0461 28 January 2012 03:39:56AM 9 points [-]

Waterline makes me think of Landmark, seasteading, and Bond villains trying to drown the planet.

Comment author: erratio 28 January 2012 04:20:04AM 10 points [-]

Don't forget Sea Org!

Comment author: [deleted] 28 January 2012 08:06:40AM 6 points [-]

It isn't even the bad kind of opaque; it's the curiosity-generating kind.

Anyway, better to be interestingly opaque than boringly transparent (not that those are the only choices).

Comment author: komponisto 01 February 2012 03:40:13AM 0 points [-]

I dislike opacity, myself. Also, I find "Oxfam" transparent.

Comment author: RobertLumley 28 January 2012 03:27:00AM *  0 points [-]

I expect it to be slightly off-putting. I could be wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKk8w7HRyMg

Comment author: RobertLumley 28 January 2012 02:58:55AM 4 points [-]

I think it would need to have a byline to at least give outsiders some idea of what it was about. But that is a really good name.

Comment author: Alicorn 28 January 2012 03:03:38AM 3 points [-]

"Practice Sanity"? "Expect the Likely"?

Comment author: RobertLumley 28 January 2012 03:05:32AM 1 point [-]

I like the former. Not really the latter.

Comment author: atorm 28 January 2012 11:20:08PM 3 points [-]

I like the latter as a tagline for something.

Comment author: siodine 28 January 2012 03:12:40AM 0 points [-]

The Waterline Institute for the Study and Practice of Critical Thinking

Comment author: RobertLumley 28 January 2012 03:14:58AM *  11 points [-]

The Waterline Institute for the Study and Practice of Rationality, or WISPR.

Comment author: atorm 28 January 2012 11:19:47PM 1 point [-]

Someone mentioned Bond villains? I can't tell if it's too silly/menacing, or if it's ridiculously awesome.

Comment author: james_edwards 28 January 2012 10:55:45PM 2 points [-]

How about "Groundswell"?

It refers to a kind of wave, as well as a change in people's views or behaviour (usually viewed positively). "Grounds" also has a relevant meaning as in "grounds to believe", without being a blatantly distasteful pun.

Comment author: adamisom 31 January 2012 02:57:09AM 0 points [-]

Yeah, that would be a great name, not /sarcasm

I don't mean to pick only on this proposed name, but it sounds like most commenters are seeing the naming ideas from the perspective of insiders, or from the perspective irrationally in love with their proposal.

There are probably dozens of names like Groundswell and Waterline that have clever connotations. Given humans' propensity to over-associate, this is hardly surprising. I do see a distinction, though, between the two: Waterline has a more immediate / clearer physical image, which is definitely a plus.