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Comment author: cousin_it 14 April 2009 02:43:13PM *  2 points [-]

It's irrational to want a rational taskforce, rather than an efficient one.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 14 April 2009 03:09:44PM *  2 points [-]

Perhaps the point is that an irrational task force won't be efficient long-term, in subtle ways that can not be controlled by ordering them around.

Comment author: cousin_it 14 April 2009 03:37:42PM *  0 points [-]

Justify this assertion. It sounds like a rationalization to me.

Also, I see no need for a long-term taskforce, seeing as the game will soon change radically for Reasons That May Not Be Named.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 14 April 2009 08:40:29PM 3 points [-]

On both points: humility. The effect of ordering irrational people around is not predictable enough for it to be a better option than having a taskforce that can guide itself rationally. (And, as Vladimir says, if you end up needing the taskforce to do something requiring rationality, you're out of luck.)

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 14 April 2009 04:09:59PM 1 point [-]

Justify this assertion. It sounds like a rationalization to me.

Ordering a thousand fanatic janitors to program an optimizing compiler will bear no fruit.

Also, I see no need for a long-term taskforce, seeing as the game will soon change radically for Reasons That May Not Be Named.

There is enough uncertainty in this business to worry about planning humanity's development even 150 years ahead.

Comment author: Strange7 23 March 2011 09:24:17PM *  4 points [-]

Ordering a thousand fanatic janitors to program an optimizing compiler will bear no fruit.

Did you actually think about that for five minutes?

Order your thousand fanatic janitors to study computer programming. Now you've got, say, 990 fanatic janitors begging forgiveness from the Great Leader for their failure, and ten minimally-competent programmers. Programmers continue training, while janitors atone by seeing to the programmers' every material need.

Consider how much time some potential world-changing genius wastes with preparing their own food, shopping for clothes, waiting in line for things, and so on. Given fanatical dedication to a cause, and a staff of less-skilled but equally-dedicated assistants, one of the chosen few could simply say "I want a ham sandwich" and get back to work, knowing that a ham sandwich prepared exactly to their previously-expressed specifications will be presented to them within minutes, without another precious thought allocated to the details of logistics.

Comment author: cousin_it 14 April 2009 04:41:30PM 0 points [-]

Ordering a thousand fanatic janitors to program an optimizing compiler will bear no fruit.

Stop equating intelligence with LW-rationality.

Comment author: Yasser_Elassal 14 April 2009 07:38:45PM 0 points [-]

Stop equating skills with intelligence.

Comment author: cousin_it 14 April 2009 08:18:54PM 0 points [-]

If I replace "intelligence" with "skills", the point still stands.