Z_M_Davis comments on The uniquely awful example of theism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Z_M_Davis 10 April 2009 04:56:34AM 10 points [-]

Anyone got any other examples of things just about everyone here has seen the folly of, even though they're widespread among otherwise-smart people?

Naïve free will, and moral realism. Related to religion, but, I think, distinct.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 10 April 2009 05:11:38AM 4 points [-]

Good call, but comments on OB posts dealing with these subjects suggest far from "just about everyone here" has seen through them.

Comment author: Annoyance 10 April 2009 02:48:27PM 7 points [-]

It's not even clear that "just about everyone here" has abandoned theism. I suspect the theists in our midst keep their mouths shut.

Comment author: rhollerith 10 April 2009 04:17:25PM *  0 points [-]

Who has regularly made comments on OB and is still a moral realist, Nick?

Comment author: thomblake 10 April 2009 07:30:13PM 1 point [-]

I'm a moral realist and a compatibilist about free will. I know others who are elimnitavists about free will. Does that count?

Comment author: rhollerith 11 April 2009 05:27:59PM 1 point [-]

Sure does. Thanks.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 06 May 2014 09:02:01AM *  0 points [-]

FW and MR are defensible in non naive forms, and just about any naive theory is wrong. So why was pick on MR and FW?

Comment author: RichardKennaway 06 May 2014 09:51:46AM *  0 points [-]

ETA: Retracted this as it was based on a typo in the parent.

 

FW and MR are indefensible in non naive forms

My understanding of Eliezer's positions on both of these in that they fall under the umbrella of non-naive forms of FW and MR. So they are in fact defended, and not only by Eliezer, but by many prominent intellectual figures. You need only look up the usual encyclopedic sources for a list of names. So as a matter of empirical fact, serious people take them seriously, whether to agree or disagree. That is, they are defensible.

Perhaps what you mean is not "indefensible" but merely "wrong"?

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 06 May 2014 10:16:10AM *  0 points [-]

I meant defensible. Edited.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 11 April 2009 05:57:55PM *  -1 points [-]

My recent post on average utilitarianism lends support to moral realism. That's why I found it surprising, and why I found it surprising that (presumably non-moral-realist) people here could read it, give it some credence, yet not consider it important.