thomblake comments on Extreme Rationality: It's Not That Great - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 09 April 2009 12:10:10PM 18 points [-]

The above would be component 1 of my own reply.

Component 2 would be (to say it again) that I developed the particular techniques that are to be found in my essays, in the course of solving my problem. And if you were to try to attack that or a similar problem you would suddenly find many more OB posts to be of immensely greater use and indeed necessity. The Eliezer of 2000 and earlier was not remotely capable of getting his job done.

What you're seeing here is the backwash of techniques that seem like they ought to have some general applicability (e.g. Crisis of Faith) but which are not really a whole developed rationalist art, nor made for the purpose of optimizing everyday life.

Someone faced with the epic Challenge Of Changing Their Mind may use the full-fledged Crisis of Faith technique once that year. How much benefit is this really? That's the question, but I'm not sure the cynical answer is the right one.

What I am hoping to see here is others, having been given a piece of the art, taking that art and extending it to cover their own problems, then coming back and describing what they've learned in a sufficiently general sense (informed by relevant science) that I can actually absorb it. For that which has been developed to address e.g. akrasia outside the rationalist line, I have found myself unable to absorb.

Comment author: thomblake 09 April 2009 12:53:31PM 9 points [-]

The Eliezer of 2000 and earlier was not remotely capable of getting his job done.

Are you more or less capable of that now? Do you have evidence that you are? Is the job tangibly closer to being completed?

Comment author: Annoyance 09 April 2009 05:16:35PM 0 points [-]

I wouldn't bother with those questions if I were you, thomblake. They've never been answered here, and are unlikely ever to be answered, here or elsewhere.

The goal here is to talk about being rational, not actually being so; to talk about building AIs, not show progress in doing so or even to define what that would be.

It's about talking, not doing.

Comment author: gjm 10 April 2009 08:27:16PM 2 points [-]

There are many different people here. I think talking about "the goal" is nonsense.