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I'm not sure if it was your intent to point this out by contrast, but I would like to point out that a reasonable art of "kicking" would not rely on you making conscious decisions, let alone explicitly rational ones. Rather, it would rely on you ensuring that your subconscious has been freed from sources of bias ahead of time, and is therefore able to safely leap to conclusions in its usual fashion. An art that requires you to think at the time things are actually happening is not much of an art.
Case in point: when reading "Stuck In The Middle With Bruce", I became aware of a subconsciously self-sabotaging behavior I'd done recently. So I "kicked" it out by crosslinking the behavior with its goal-satisfaction state. It would be crazy to wait until the next occasion for that behavior to strike, and then try to reason my way around it, when I can just fix the bloody thing in the first place. (Interestingly, I mentioned the story to my wife, and described how it related to my own behavior... and she thought of a different sort of self-sabotage she was doing, and applied the same mindhack. So, as of now, I'd say that story was one of the top 5 most valuable things I've gotten from LW.)
Now, in the case of extinguishing a behavior, there's no way you can absolutely prove you've fixed something permanently; the best you can do is show that the thought process that you use to produce an autonomous response before applying a technique, no longer produces the same response afterward. Also, sometimes you catch a break: you find yourself in a situation, expecting yourself to do the same old stupid thing you've been doing before, and then you find you don't need to, or notice a few seconds later that you already did something completely different, and a much better choice.
Truth is, our brains really aren't that bad at making decisions, once you take out the "priority overrides" that mess things up.
Anyway, I'm rambling a bit now. The point is, "kicking" is generally not something you do at the time -- you do it in advance of the next time....
Because your brain is faster than you are.
What does "crosslinking the behavior with its goal-satisfaction state" mean? Specifically, I'm unable to guess what you mean by "crosslinking" and "the goal-satisfaction state" (of a behavior).
More details can be found in this comment.
I had the same question as Jonathan and I've read the comment you mentioned. Where can we read/learn more about this technique?
It's based on a technique called "Core Transformation", developed by Connirae Andreas and Tamara Andreas, and it's discussed in a book of the same name. (I linked to it once before when someone asked about this a few weeks ago, and was severely downmodded for some reason, so you'll have to find it yourself.)
My own version of the technique is a streamlined and stripped-down variation that removes a certain amount of superstition and ritual. (Among other things, I drop the "parts" metaphor, which some schools of NLP now consider to have been a bad idea in the first place.)
The technique works by using imagination to elicit the reward states associated with a behavior, going to higher and higher levels of abstraction to reach the top (or root?) of a person's reward tree -- usually a quasi-mystical state like inner peace, oneness, compassion, or something like that. (These "core states" are a good candidate for the "god-shaped hole" in humans, btw.)
Anyway, once you have access to such a state, it can be used as a reinforcer for alternative behaviors, as it's stronger than the diluted intermediate versions found at other levels of the person's goal tree. (More precisely, it can be used to extinguish the conditioned appetite that drives the problem behavior.)
I teach this method and use it in coaching; my wife and I also use it personally. I'd link to my own workshops and recordings on the subject as well, but since I was downmodded for referring to a site where you could buy someone else's book, I shudder to imagine what would happen if I linked to a site where you could buy my products or services. ;-)
Please post the link. And why should you be afraid of downmodding? I have been downmodded for saying things that are true(at least IMHO). Don't give that much importance to the mods!
I'm not. I'm simply attempting to respect the wishes of others regarding what should or should not be posted here.
Googling "Core Transformation" and "Gateway of Desire" (as phrases in quotes) will get you the links. Don't be confused by something else called "Quantum Touch - Core Transformation"; it's something unrelated (thank goodness).
People are trying to eliminate spam. Spammers tend to include links to outside services which cost money. Thus, your providing such a link gives you the superficial appearance of a spammer, and you got downmodded accordingly. You are not a spammer, you have participated in good faith in this community, at great personal effort, and contributed many useful insights as a result. I think by now, most people are aware of this, and you should not need to worry about giving the appearance of spamming.
http://coretransformation.org/ appears to be the main website. This Google search finds related materials. All I could find on Wikipedia was this article on Steve Andreas.
The fact that everything I can find on the web carefully avoids giving details and instead takes the form "We have these fantastic techniques that can solve most of your problems; sign up for our seminars and we'll teach them to you" is ... not promising.
Promising the world, giving few details, and insisting on being paid before saying anything more, seems to me to be strongly correlated with dishonesty and cultishness. Since pjeby seems like a valuable member of this community, I hope this case happens to be different; but I'd like to see some evidence.
Well, you didn't grant my wish for a simple link, I have to google now. How sad. As for the wishes of others would you rather not post a truth then to be downvoted by the majority?
Here's one link:
http://themindhackersguild.com/workshops/