Lethalmud comments on Extreme Rationality: It's Not That Great - Less Wrong

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Comment author: HughRistik 10 April 2009 05:38:26AM *  19 points [-]

And for this post, I use "benefits" or "practical benefits" to mean anything not relating to philosophy, truth, winning debates, or a sense of personal satisfaction from understanding things better. Money, status, popularity, and scientific discovery all count.

In my life, I've used rationality to tackle some pretty tough practical problems. The type of rationality I have been successful with hasn't been the debiasing program of Overcoming Bias, yet I have been employing scientific thinking, induction, and heuristic to certain problems in ways that are atypical for the category of people you are calling normal rationalists. I don't know whether to call this "x-rationality" or not, partly because I'm not sure the boundaries between rationality and x-rationality are always obvious, but it's certainly more advanced rationality than what people usually apply in the domains below.

On a general level, I've been studying how to get good (or at least, dramatically better) at things. Here are some areas where I've been successful using rationality:

  • Recovering from social anxiety disorder and depression
  • Social skills
  • Fashion sense
  • Popularity / social status in peer group
  • Dating

I'm not using success necessarily to mean mastery, but around 1-2 standard deviations of improvement from where I started.

I do find it interesting that many people are not achieving practical benefits from their studies of more advanced rationalities. I agree with you that akrasia is a large factor in why they do not get significant practical benefits out of rationality. I am going to hypothesize an additional factor:

The practical benefits of x-rationality are constrained because students of x-rationality (such as the Overcoming Bias / Less Wrong) schools of thought focus on critical rationality, yet critical rationality is only good for solving certain types of problems.

In my post on heuristic, I drew a distinction between what I'm calling "critical rationality" (consisting of logic, skepticism, and bias-reduction) and "creative rationality" (consisting of heuristic and inference). Critical rationality concerns itself with idea validation, while creative rationality concerns itself with idea creation (specifically, of ideas that map onto the territory).

Critical rationality is necessary to avoid many mistakes in life (e.g. spending all your money on lottery tickets, high-interest credit card debt, Scientology), yet perhaps it runs into diminishing returns for success in most people's lives. For developing new ideas and skills that would lead people to success above a mundane level, critical rationality is necessary but not sufficient, and creative rationality is also required.

Comment author: Lethalmud 23 May 2014 01:54:06PM 1 point [-]

I'm curious, how did you use rationality to develop fashion sense?