Eugine_Nier comments on Rationality Quotes February 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wilder 01 February 2012 09:24:48PM *  2 points [-]

Curious to know why this was downvoted. Many philosophers use 'scientism' as a term of abuse, and Luke has written about reclaiming the term here. I found this a rather pithy rallying call that antedates Rosenberg's.

Apologies if this is gratuitous but it was my first post!

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 02 February 2012 05:38:59AM 0 points [-]

Unfortunately, the word "scietism" does describe a real set of related failure modes that people trying to be "scientific" frequently fall into, as I discussed in more detail in this thread.

Comment author: wilder 02 February 2012 01:43:22PM *  1 point [-]

Unscientific does that job already, while the '-ism' suffix denotes, in this case, belief in science. Why let them have a perfectly good word?

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 02 February 2012 10:32:01PM 5 points [-]

I think "scientism," "unscientific," and "pseudoscientific" all have different and necessary meanings: respectively, "attempting to use scientific epistemology but misunderstanding it", "using bad epistemology," and "using bad epistemology but making a deliberate effort to look like one is being scientific". The word closest to meaning what you want "scientism" to mean is probably "Bayesianism".

Comment author: [deleted] 02 February 2012 06:28:29PM 3 points [-]

Unscientific does that job already

No. It also cover people who don't even try to be scientific.

Comment author: wilder 02 February 2012 08:45:16PM 0 points [-]

Agree with that. There is a finer-grained distinction worth drawing -- with some other word!