Eugine_Nier comments on Rationality Quotes February 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: CaveJohnson 08 February 2012 05:51:26PM *  14 points [-]

When people talk about the importance of democracy, it is never democracy as it has ever actually functioned, with the politicians that have actually been elected, and the policies that have actually been implemented. It is always democracy as people imagine it will operate once they succeed in electing "the right people" — by which they mean, people who agree almost completely with their own views, and who are consistent and incorruptible in their implementation of the resulting policies.

--Ben O'Neill, here

Considering the above quote can be used to criticize nearly any popular political position I don't think it is inherently mind-killing. Also since we all agree democracy is a good thing this isn't even very political. The original article and context obviously does make it somewhat political.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 10 February 2012 04:23:42AM 11 points [-]

The same is true of people who call for a dictatorship or any non-democratic form of government. They also always imagine it will be governed by "the right people", and imagine all the things "the right people" could accomplish if freed from the need to listen to the "ignorant mob".

Comment author: CaveJohnson 11 February 2012 12:00:19PM *  3 points [-]

Yes I fully agree. But it shouldn't be underestimated that when it comes to non-democratic forms of government what kind of people are in power genuinely does have a big impact on how the country is run.

Wanting a philosopher king isn't a bad idea if you aren't mistaken about the philosopher king in question.

Comment author: Multiheaded 20 March 2012 09:39:36AM 1 point [-]

Wanting a philosopher king isn't a bad idea if you aren't mistaken about the philosopher king in question.

Or about your definition of "Philosopher king" in the first place. The character of Marcus Aurelius fit the preferences of those in Rome who dreamt of such a philosopher king; yet he was a poor ruler who displayed apathy - including going against his moral intuitions so as not to actually do anything, like finding gladiatorial games distasteful but making no attempt to limit them - and mediocre crisis management

Comment author: DanArmak 25 January 2013 04:07:33PM 1 point [-]

What kind of people are in power has a big impact under all forms of government, democracy included.