Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Extreme Rationality: It Could Be Great - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 10 April 2009 01:01:02AM *  6 points [-]

There are some things, like languages, that can never be real until a child grows up knowing them.

I think it should be easy to verify that it's not really true (or at least you need to qualify this statement). I don't feel handicapped in perceiving English at all, even though I knew almost nothing before I was about 18. Now, I prefer thinking and writing in English. I have no reason to believe it's atypical.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 10 April 2009 02:04:22AM 1 point [-]

Synthetic languages don't turn into real languages until a child grows up knowing them; English is real because children have already grown up knowing it. See creole language.

Comment author: komponisto 10 April 2009 03:54:42AM 3 points [-]

Esperanto is a real language, despite the fact that only a small fraction of its speakers grow up learning it (and it would be just as real even without those individuals).

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 10 April 2009 02:23:20AM 0 points [-]

I see; this clearly required a qualification.

I don't think there is enough of quintessential knowledge to make something native of it, we'd better work on healthy synthetic community process for now.

Are there non-language examples of this? Did it do any good for educational practices, trying to pass the material through a generation of children learning it?