Eugine_Nier comments on Cargo Cult Language - Less Wrong

-1 Post author: SaidAchmiz 05 February 2012 09:32PM

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Comment author: Steven_Bukal 05 February 2012 11:17:55PM *  1 point [-]

This is my thought as well. Every one of the examples given I would attribute to dialectal differences between common usage and the more technical and jargon-filled language used by scientists and science fans. SaidAchmiz even admits that for some of these, the usage he doesn't like is more common, which is a big hint. My understanding is that speakers very rarely adopt usage which will be misunderstood by the language group they typically speak with.

“hmm, is that really what you meant to say?” is often met with absurd arguments to the effect that no, this phrasing is not nonsensical after all, these words mean what I want them to, and who the hell are you to try to legislate usage, anyway?

Isn't this exactly why we have the technique of Rationalist Taboo? It doesn't matter whether the meaning someone ascribes to a word seems stupid to you, once you understand what they mean by the word, and they understand what you mean by the word, you can move on. The best ways I've found to do this are to coin two new words (I like to prepend the word in question with the name of the person whose meaning we are trying to capture), or to always replace the word with its intended substance for the rest of the discourse.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 06 February 2012 01:03:02AM 0 points [-]

It doesn't matter whether the meaning someone ascribes to a word seems stupid to you

Yes, it does.

Comment author: Steven_Bukal 06 February 2012 03:42:11AM *  1 point [-]

I think that was an unfair clipping. The context of that quote was the OP's statement about the usefulness of getting clarification of language usage.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 06 February 2012 04:21:28AM 2 points [-]

My point is that having to play rationalist taboo is still much worse then not having to play it.

Comment author: SaidAchmiz 06 February 2012 12:22:25PM 1 point [-]

Well said. This is basically my own thought as well.