Will_Newsome comments on Feed the spinoff heuristic! - Less Wrong

49 Post author: CarlShulman 09 February 2012 07:41AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (85)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: FeepingCreature 12 February 2012 03:27:05PM 5 points [-]

Sorry for butting in, but don't you find it strangely convenient that your psi effect is defined just so as to move it outside the domain of scientific inquiry? Do you anticipate ever finding a way to reliably distinguish it from random chance, or do you anticipate forming another excuse, ahem, reason why you should have expected from the start that the way you just tried would not reliably show it? I'd claim you're chasing invisible dragons, but I find it incredulous that you haven't thought of the comparison yourself, which leaves me confused. How does an effect look like that is real but cannot be distinguished from random chance by any reliable method? How would you extract utility from such an effect? And is it worth it to break your tools of inquiry that otherwise work very well, just so you can end up believing in an effect that is true but useless? Food for thought.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 13 February 2012 01:45:35PM 4 points [-]

I am aware of this. I would have to be incredibly stupid not to be aware of it.

Do you anticipate ever finding a way to reliably distinguish it from random chance

I can reliably distinguish it from random chance, but by hypothesis I just can't tell you about it. I can get evidence, just not communicable evidence.

I think maybe every time I post about evasive psi I should include a standard disclaimer along the lines of "Yes, I realize how incredibly dodgy this sounds and I also find it rather frustrating, but bringing it up and harping on it never leads anywhere."