TheOtherDave comments on The Unfinished Mystery of the Shangri-La Diet - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 25 March 2012 04:09:44PM 2 points [-]

I don't understand how eliminating fat in this scenario merely makes me merely "look skinnier" rather than actually being skinnier. Constant mass + increased density = reduced volume = (in this case) skinnier... doesn't it?

Comment author: [deleted] 25 March 2012 07:02:12PM *  1 point [-]

I was using skinnier as a one-word shorthand for ‘less heavy’, but you're right that a volume-based definition is closer to the common understanding than a mass-based one. (Cf massive which is also about mass in technical speech but about size in colloquial speech, though for a different reason.)

(Plus, in most cases of people trying to lose weight, they would actually care more about fat mass than total mass if they fully understood the difference and could measure both.)

(In Italian we have a phrase falso magro lit. ‘false lean [person]’ for people who weigh more than one would guess by looking at them.)

Comment author: gwern 25 March 2012 10:28:52PM 1 point [-]

(In Italian we have a phrase falso magro lit. ‘false lean [person]’ for people who weigh less than one would guess by looking at them.)

But... wouldn't that make them truly lean? Or falsely fat?

Comment author: [deleted] 26 March 2012 03:45:31PM *  0 points [-]

Dammit... I meant “more than one would guess”. Fixed.

Comment author: Swimmer963 25 March 2012 11:18:28PM 0 points [-]

Also, a person with lots of muscle definition won't look "fat" even if they weigh much more than average. They won't look skinny either, but large-and-muscular is generally considered healthier and more attractive than large-and-flabby.

Comment author: wedrifid 25 March 2012 04:20:49PM 0 points [-]

I don't understand how eliminating fat in this scenario merely makes me merely "look skinnier" rather than actually being skinnier. Constant mass + increased density = reduced volume = (in this case) skinnier... doesn't it?

The parenthetical distinction was between 'losing weight' and looking (and even being) skinnier. ie. Gained weight, lost volume and subjectively appear to have lost even more volume.