thomblake comments on Superintelligent AGI in a box - a question. - Less Wrong

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Comment author: thomblake 24 February 2012 08:07:05PM 0 points [-]

The philosophy of FAI is essentially the same thing. Searching for the circumstances where the smarter will serve the dumber.

Change that to: searching for circumstances where the smarter will provably serve the dumber. (Then you're closer). Your description of what superintelligences will do, above, doesn't rise to anything resembling a formal proof. FAI assumes that AI is Unfriendly until proven otherwise.

Comment author: Thomas 24 February 2012 08:41:09PM -2 points [-]

searching for circumstances where the smarter will provably serve the dumber.

Can you prove anything about FAI, uFAI and so on?

I don't think, that there are any proven theorems about this topic, at all.

Even if there were, how reliable are axioms, how good are definitions?

Comment author: JoshuaZ 10 July 2013 02:15:32AM *  0 points [-]

So, you raise a valid point here. This area is currently very early on in its work. There are theorems that may prove to be relevant. See for example, this recent work. And yes, in any area where mathematical models are used, the difference between having a theorem and set of definitions and those definitions reflecting what you actually care about can be a major problem (you see this all the time in cryptography with side-channel attacks for example). But all of that said, I'm not sure what the point of your argument is: sure the field is young. But if the MIRI people are correct that AGI is a real worry, then this looks like one of the very few possible responses that has any chance of working. And if it isn't a lot now, that's a reason to put in more resources so that we actually have a theory that works by the time AI shows up.