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8 Post author: PhilGoetz 10 April 2009 11:48PM

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Comment author: ciphergoth 11 April 2009 07:53:50PM *  6 points [-]

Good question. Here's a few thoughts - let me know if these are useful or whether you think I'm barking up the wrong tree.

  • As you say, the first thing people think of when you say "masochism" is sexual masochism; it's the root of the word and its primary meaning. I'd prefer to keep it that way than to extend it to cover self-defeating behaviour, which falls about as well on my ears as extending "gay" to mean "lame".

  • "Perversion" is judgemental in every other context and has been used to be judgemental about sexuality for years. A neutral word like "behaviour" or "activity" would serve just as well here.

  • This is harder to pin down, but I just don't get a feeling from the way you talk about us that you think of us as having a really good time. I promise you, in our own curious way we really are having a lot of fun.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 11 April 2009 10:05:19PM 0 points [-]

I just don't get a feeling from the way you talk about us that you think of us as having a really good time. I promise you, in our own curious way we really are having a lot of fun.

So are people who eat food so spicy that many countries would classify it as a chemical weapon (please note that this is not an exaggeration for humorous effect).

The pleasure-pain connection is an interesting subject in multiple domains, even if Phil's phrasing was unfortunate.