ciphergoth comments on Is masochism necessary? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gjm 12 April 2009 12:35:54AM *  2 points [-]

from where I'm sitting if you're not a sadomasochist then you're missing out on the great fun we're having.

If it's possible for non-sadomasochists to fail to appreciate the fun sadomasochists have, surely it's also possible for sadomasochists to fail to appreciate the fun some other people have; unless you've somehow ruled out the possibility that you might be doing that, I don't see how you can be justified in assuming that others are missing out.

For instance, consider the following hypothesis (which, for the record, I think is extremely unlikely to be right): that what distinguishes sadomasochists isn't the ability to have a kind of fun that non-sadomasochists don't get, but the inability to get so much fun from "ordinary" sex without sadomasochistic accoutrements. If anything like that were true, then there'd be plenty of non-sadomasochists having just as much fun as the sadomasochists; do you know that no such thing is true?

Comment author: ciphergoth 12 April 2009 12:58:27AM 4 points [-]

That remark wasn't meant very seriously, sorry. When I say "from where I'm sitting" I mean to communicate the sense anyone who really likes X has, that if you don't really like X like they do then you're just missing out. It isn't true at all of course.

The hypothesis doesn't fit the data I have, in case you're curious.

Comment author: gjm 12 April 2009 01:25:05PM 0 points [-]

OK; sorry for misreading your tone. (And thanks for the extra data point about that hypothesis.)