ArisKatsaris comments on My summary of Eliezer's position on free will - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ArisKatsaris 29 February 2012 03:42:34PM 3 points [-]

If I say that a forest fire is absolutely dependent on the presence of oxygen in the atmosphere, it doesn't follow that the "slightest touch" of nitrogen would immediately wipe out the possibility of fires.

And yet the fire would still be absolutely dependent on the presence of oxygen.

Comment author: nshepperd 10 March 2012 04:42:22PM 2 points [-]

If "determinism" is taken to mean the theory that the past uniquely and completely determines the future ("hard" determinism?), then the more accurate analogy would be to say that "forest fires are absolutely dependent on an atmosphere of pure oxygen".

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 10 March 2012 07:40:19PM 0 points [-]

At this point the dispute becomes a linguistic triviality, I think.

My position is as follows: If some elements of a system are deterministic and others non-deterministic, then if free will is expressed anywhere it can only be expressed with the deterministic elements, not with the non-deterministic ones; much as fire is fueled by the oxygen in the atmosphere, not by the nitrogen of the atmosphere.