Troshen comments on My summary of Eliezer's position on free will - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Troshen 01 March 2012 05:04:12PM 0 points [-]

Although I see what you're saying, I still disagree. I don't think that we are just inside the algorithm feeling it happen, making us not knowing the outcome and only being observers.

I definitely have a decision loop and input into the process in my own mind. Even if it's only from outside the loop: Dang, I made a bad decision that time. I'll make a better one next time, and then doing it.

And until I take physical outward action the decision algorithm isn't finished. So people can be paralyzed by indecision by competing priorities that have closely similar weights to them. Or they can ignore and not take any choice and move on to other activities that render the previous choice algorithm nebulous and never finished.

I would like to give a more detailed refutation of the idea that our minds have deterministic algorithms. Until you take action it's undetermined, and I think there's choice there. But I don't have the background or the language.

Can anyone suggest further reading?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 01 March 2012 05:30:13PM *  2 points [-]

See the free will sequence: problem statement, solution. You do determine what happens, but you do that as part of physics, which could as well be deterministic as well, with your decision being determined by that part of physical world that is you. The decision itself, while it's not made, is not part of current-you, but it's determined by current-you, and it is part of the physical world (in the future of current-you), where current-you can't observe it.