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Comment author: David_Gerard 07 March 2012 08:17:19AM *  1 point [-]

I'm thinking of the latest wizard wheeze in apologetics, which is to posit that the fact of orderly physics is evidence of God. This is from people belonging to mainstream Christian churches subscribing to the Nicene Creed, i.e. belief in miracles that violate physics as evidence of God. When someone is that determined to be hard of thinking ...

Comment author: [deleted] 07 March 2012 02:06:15PM 0 points [-]

...then it's pretty much impossible to convince them with actual arguments, so you might as well use other means. You're never going to be able to convince people who put their fingers in their ears and say "Lalala I can't hear you!", but it seems like it should be possible to have some impact on people who will at least listen.

Comment author: David_Gerard 07 March 2012 10:38:43PM -1 points [-]

"One horse-laugh is worth ten thousand syllogisms. It is not only more effective; it is also vastly more intelligent." - H.L. Mencken.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 08 March 2012 03:11:30AM 0 points [-]

I'm thinking of the latest wizard wheeze in apologetics, which is to posit that the fact of orderly physics is evidence of God.

This is new in Christianity? I heard of it as an old Islamic argument: God's presence continually maintains the order of the universe; without God, everything would fall into chaos; therefore, the fact that you are able to observe a consistent universe is itself evidence of God.

Comment author: David_Gerard 08 March 2012 08:09:48AM *  -1 points [-]

Wonder how the same arguers deal with an unorderly universe with flying horse miracles.

I suppose there aren't really new apologetics. I wonder if there's a list:

  1. God of the gaps.
  2. Argument from wishful thinking (ontological argument and variants).
  3. I feel there is God, therefore God.
  4. Both A and not-A are evidence of God.

Edit: Of course there's a list.