Locke comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 10 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Locke 12 March 2012 04:24:28AM 10 points [-]

Presuming this all does lead up to a trial, I look forward to Harry's reaction to the Magical Justice System.

"Hasn't it ever occurred to anyone to have a suspect's guilt decided by an unbiased panel of judges?!"

Comment author: Locke 12 March 2012 06:04:29AM 7 points [-]

Oh, and I suspect that the Sorting Hat Summoning is going to happen during the trial, perhaps as a means of impartial mind-reading.

Comment author: Anubhav 12 March 2012 08:02:34AM *  11 points [-]

Oh, and I suspect that the Sorting Hat Summoning is going to happen during the trial

Yes, it is.

Either that or Eliezer anticipated this train of thought (not unlikely) and is playing at the second level (slightly unlikely). Multiplying that out, the probability is miniscule.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 17 March 2012 01:57:29PM *  5 points [-]

Eh, by now you know you overthought this. Eliezer could have just meant that he knew there was a trial coming up, or that the song in question mentions the word "hat", or a number of other possibilities.

Seriously, don't limit the hypothesis space to "Either my current theory is exactly right to the letter" or "Eliezer tricked me into thinking the current theory is exactly right to the letter". It's always possible that the other guy just meant something different, no deception involved.

Comment author: Anubhav 17 March 2012 03:00:08PM 2 points [-]

Lesson learned:

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains is often more improbable than your having made a mistake with one of your impossiblity proofs.

(However, if the Sorting Hat is summoned again, during the trial, this time with Pervenit Judex, I shall be very, very, tempted to conclude that Eliezer is just trolling us.)

Comment author: FiftyTwo 13 March 2012 01:00:57AM 3 points [-]

Eleizer is always playing at one level higher than you...

Comment author: arundelo 13 March 2012 01:07:19AM 7 points [-]

Even after you've accounted for the fact that Eliezer is always playing at one level higher than you.

Comment author: Anubhav 19 March 2012 02:04:04PM 1 point [-]

Reminds me of this.

Comment author: Anubhav 16 March 2012 05:16:41AM 3 points [-]

Eleizer is always playing at one level higher than you...

In this case, yes.

Comment author: cultureulterior 17 March 2012 01:50:22PM 0 points [-]

Have we excluded the possibility of the Sorting Hat, either by accident or design, can help you violate the Interdict of Merlin? I mean, it doesn't seem to be alive under the sense of the terms of the curse, but you never know. And, also, personally, I've always thought it was peculiar that Ravenclaw didn't do anything to preserve his knowledge in the same way as Slytherin.

Comment author: lavalamp 17 March 2012 02:23:36PM 3 points [-]

I've always thought it was peculiar that Ravenclaw didn't do anything to preserve his knowledge in the same way as Slytherin.

Rowena was a woman.

Comment author: TobyBartels 24 March 2012 04:01:37AM 0 points [-]

This doesn't really contradict your hypothesis, but the Sorting Hat is Gryffindor-aligned.

Comment author: pedanterrific 24 March 2012 04:14:43AM 0 points [-]

Could you explain what you mean by this? I know the original mundane hat the Founders enchanted happened to belong to Gryffindor, but I don't see how that's relevant.

Comment author: TobyBartels 24 March 2012 05:25:26AM 1 point [-]

In canon, the hat is considered a relic of Gryffindor specifically, which is why his sword can be drawn from it. The Wikia seems pretty clear on this, so we should expect EY to follow that. OTOH, Salazar managed to insert his own subroutine into the hat, so as I said, this doesn't really contradict cultureulterior's hypothesis about Rowena.

Comment author: pedanterrific 24 March 2012 05:34:06AM *  1 point [-]

In canon, the hat is considered a relic of Gryffindor specifically, which is why his sword can be drawn from it. The Wikia seems pretty clear on this

Quoth the wiki:

The Sorting Hat was sewn roughly one thousand years ago and was merely a normal hat belonging to Godric Gryffindor. When Gryffindor, along with Salazar Slytherin, Rowena Ravenclaw and Helga Hufflepuff, wondered how they would continue to sort the students when the four were dead, Gryffindor pulled his hat off of his head and, with the other founders, enchanted it with brains and some amount of personality. [...] Godric Gryffindor's Sword, one of the founder's only other known relics, can be magically pulled out of the hat by any Gryffindor considered worthy, no matter how secure the sword's location.

It was a joint effort from the beginning.

Also, do you think that the crystal rod thingy is actually Gryffindor's Crystal Rod Thingy?

Comment author: TobyBartels 24 March 2012 11:35:49AM 1 point [-]

It was a joint effort from the beginning.

Enchanting the hat was done by all four? Yes, I already tacitly agreed with you about that. But as you can see from your quotation, the Hat is still considered a relic of Godric's specifically. It is aligned with him. It is narratively imperfect for the Hat to serve individual tasks of other founders. On the other hand, Eliezer has already used it to serve a task of Salazar's, so it could do one for Rowena as well. That just doesn't fit as well. Nothing deeper than that.

Also, do you think that the crystal rod thingy is actually Gryffindor's Crystal Rod Thingy?

More likely his than anyone else's. But who knows, maybe it's Helga Hufflepuff's Crystal Rod Thingy, and then all four of them can have done something extra to the hat.