Bakkot comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 10 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Bakkot 12 March 2012 07:23:01PM 10 points [-]

Make a clever potion. Use that potion as an ingredient in a potion to extract the mental work of creating a clever potion.

Entertainingly, precisely this trick can be used in Morrowind to beat what is meant to be a 20-40 hour game in a matter of minutes. Global victory condition, indeed.

I have to imagine there is no "clever potion" in MoR, though, because otherwise Harry would have seized on it instantly. It's too much like the recursive self-improvement we look for in AIs for Eliezer or Harry to have missed this possibility.

Comment author: Psy-Kosh 12 March 2012 07:46:57PM 8 points [-]

Hee hee. But no, I didn't mean a "potion of cleverness", I simply mean "be clever and invent a potion. Then use that potion as an ingredient to place the quality of the mental work of inventing a potion into a potion... then use that potion as an ingredient, etc.."

And actually, we know Harry meant to investigate mental magic, but we're not sure if he ever got around to it. (And, of course, there is Rowena's Diadem, which would seem to be an intelligence augmentation device. If that's in MoR, Harry's got to do something with it at some point. (But then, harry hasn't yet really jumped onto the existence of the Philosopher's Stone, so... well, I guess everyone here's already waiting for when he notices that and Epic Rages at the wizarding world along the lines of "you mean you already know how... you... ARGH!")

Comment author: gwern 12 March 2012 08:17:04PM *  1 point [-]

And we'd expect Ravenclaw members to already be using any clever potions or at least have rules against them (either imposed by the school or by themselves as 'cheating'). In canon, they all know about the Ravenclaw diadem which is supposed to make you more clever. So it's reasonable if there were any such thing, Harry would have been told about it (everyone knowing his interest in self-improvement or being more clever), heard of it, or read about it by now.

Comment author: Anubhav 13 March 2012 11:10:04AM 3 points [-]

So it's reasonable if there were any such thing, Harry would have been told about it

Yes, because people want Harry Potter to be smarter than he is.

Comment author: Fergus_Mackinnon 13 March 2012 09:04:44PM 4 points [-]

If it existed and was semi-public knowledge, then Lucius would have made a priority of acquiring some for Draco.

Comment author: marchdown 14 March 2012 09:18:23PM 4 points [-]

Draco doesn't even need to know about this.

Comment author: sketerpot 14 March 2012 07:22:49AM 4 points [-]

Who says he didn't? I notice that Draco is unusually bright, as are Crabbe and Goyle. It would certainly be convenient for the Malfoys if the youngest sons of all three families were significantly above average....

Comment author: Anubhav 14 March 2012 02:03:26AM 0 points [-]

^ Truth.