Eneasz comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 10 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: 75th 14 March 2012 02:24:16AM *  14 points [-]

It seems that the popular opinion around here is that Mr. Hat & Cloak is someone, anyone, other than Quirrellmort. I think this is a case of the same kind of thinking that led people to wonder whether Quirrell was Voldemort a lot longer than Eliezer intended.

I think Eliezer probably meant us to know that Quirrell was H&C the very first time he appeared. Quirrell follows after Zabini when he leaves Harry; Zabini says that Quirrell reacted exactly as H&C told him he would. He knew how Quirrell would react because he is Quirrell, and he told Zabini to do what he did specifically so Harry, who Quirrell knew would be around after the ceremony, could hear it and have another reason to distrust Dumbledore.

Eliezer has already dealt with this once. Everyone suppressed their own knowledge of canon and faculties of logic even in the face of nigh-incontrovertible evidence that Quirrell was Voldemort. He expressed his confusion at this in the author's notes, and I believe he vowed to make his blatant hints more blatant in the future.

I think Quirrell being H&C is even more blatant than Quirrellmort was, and here we are doing the exact same thing. We do it because we love the story and want to preserve as many surprises as we can for as long as possible. We want to wait, wait, wait for a bigger payoff later.

I think Eliezer is likely to be silently rolling his eyes at us on this, thinking "There they go again!" and chuckling quietly to himself. But I know that if he is, he's darn well going to let us figure it out for ourselves this time, rather than once again holding our hands as we step gingerly to conclusions to which he meant us to leap.

Comment author: Eneasz 14 March 2012 07:33:51PM 1 point [-]

What really throws this for me is that Quirrell is said to go down the hallway in the same direction as Zabini, and then in the next section Zabini meets H&C. That is so blatant that I actually consider it an anti-clue. It's like someone pretending to steal something and whistling nonchalantly to draw attention to their jest-theft. Contrast to Quirrell trying to permanently Dement Harry during the Humanism arc, which was subtle enough that I completely missed it in the first reading (tho didn't hurt that I was very biased by my adoration of Quirrell at that point).

Comment author: Nisan 14 March 2012 08:47:37PM 3 points [-]

Quirrell trying to permanently Dement Harry during the Humanism arc

Wait, what? Has this been discussed somewhere?

Comment author: Eneasz 14 March 2012 11:13:08PM 19 points [-]

Somewhere in the old threads I think, but I'm in a rush and can't look it up right now. Quick points:

  • Quirrell organized the whole Dementor visit from the beginning
  • Quirrell waited until Hermione was running up to the Dementor and would've seen it herself anyway to "suddenly notice" Harry's wand next to the Dementor's cage
  • Quirrell suggested the Headmaster leave early, before it was Harry's turn
  • Quirrell instructed Harry's friends to "give him space" even though he probably knew that it was better for Harry to be surrounded by his friends as Dumbledore said
  • Quirrell undermines Harry's confidence just before he goes in front of the Dementor (If you can't do it, I at least will understand)

All plausibly deniable, and exactly Quirrell's style.

Comment author: Fergus_Mackinnon 16 March 2012 01:50:04PM 1 point [-]

That implies he at least suspects Harry holds a horcrux...

Comment author: Blueberry 25 March 2012 09:58:05AM 0 points [-]

Why would he want to kill Harry? And if he wanted to, wouldn't he have done it by now?

Comment author: Eneasz 26 March 2012 06:00:17PM -1 points [-]

Demented Harry is Evil Harry, not dead.

Comment author: Blueberry 27 March 2012 02:47:03AM 1 point [-]

What? The people in Azkaban were close to dead, not cunning evil geniuses. Dementors weaken you and suck the life out of you.

Comment author: Eneasz 27 March 2012 07:47:16PM 1 point [-]

Chapter 44 is the goal-state

Comment author: Nisan 15 March 2012 06:32:32PM 0 points [-]

Holy crap.