Locke comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 10 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Locke 16 March 2012 04:03:42AM 0 points [-]

I'm fairly certain that could be accomplished just by giving him a book on wizarding law. So probably not a factor in H&C's plotting.

Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 16 March 2012 04:32:00AM 25 points [-]

I think Quirrell would believe that seeing one's best friend imprisoned/subjugated/otherwise punished unfairly would have more of an effect than a book, even on Harry. I think he would be right, too.

It turns out, after a few minutes' contemplation, there was a previous discussion between Quirrell and Harry lurking in the background of this thought. From Chapter 60, The Stanford Prison Experiment, Pt 10: (emphasis added)

There was a pause at this. Then the boy said, "Professor, I have to ask, when you see something all dark and gloomy, doesn't it ever occur to you to try and improve it somehow? Like, yes, something goes terribly wrong in people's heads that makes them think it's great to torture criminals, but that doesn't mean they're truly evil inside; and maybe if you taught them the right things, showed them what they were doing wrong, you could change -"

Professor Quirrell laughed, then, and not with the emptiness of before. "Ah, Mr. Potter, sometimes I do forget how very young you are. Sooner you could change the color of the sky." Another chuckle, this one colder. "And the reason it is easy for you to forgive such fools and think well of them, Mr. Potter, is that you yourself have not been sorely hurt. You will think less fondly of commonplace idiots after the first time their folly costs you something dear. Such as a hundred Galleons from your own pocket, perhaps, rather than the agonizing deaths of a hundred strangers."

Harry didn't need a friend in Azkaban to be horrified at it, but visiting it had much more of an impact on him than just hearing about it.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 24 March 2012 12:50:15PM 0 points [-]

I was hoping to post that quote. Kudos for getting there first.

Comment author: MartinB 16 March 2012 04:17:55AM 3 points [-]

It is more involving when it is personal.

Comment author: Locke 16 March 2012 04:23:07AM 0 points [-]

Maybe for most people, but Harry didn't need a friend in Azkaban to appreciate it's horror.

Comment author: Nominull 16 March 2012 06:46:34AM 9 points [-]

He needed to visit it and hear the tortured captives crying out in anguish before he really appreciated its horror. Before he visited, he said "wow, that's awful, somebody should do something". After he visited he swore to the phoenix to dedicate his life to smashing it.