NihilCredo comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 10 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NihilCredo 16 March 2012 11:16:23AM 7 points [-]

Is Harry's guess at the twins' prank on Rita the correct one, and by corollary, are we supposed to believe that Quirrelmort couldn't come up with a hypothesis that basic, and/or that it had been that easy for the twins to successfully brainwash an adult witch? (And on a meta level: was it worth it to make such a hubbub with such a supremely, well, boring answer?)

Comment author: matheist 17 March 2012 03:06:00AM 8 points [-]

Harry leaps to that conclusion before hearing from Dumbledore how difficult they are to create. Even if that was the method, there is still the question of how they managed to accomplish it.

My hypothesis — as of several chapters ago — is that Dumbledore assisted in the Rita prank. He certainly had the motive, since he's playing the game against Lucius and Rita was Lucius's pawn. He also had the means (being incredibly powerful). Why hadn't he acted against her earlier? Because he hadn't been clever enough to think up a good way to get at her without inviting retaliation.

So how did he ever get included in the twins' plan?

Easy: he's in the habit of routinely reading their mind. Evidence for this lies in chapter 63: "It wasn't that the Headmaster had popped up out of nowhere and was staring at them with a stern expression. Dumbledore was always doing that." There's also weak evidence in chapter 12, where Dumbledore knows Harry wants to reformulate Quidditch (he could know via F&G via Ron). And in chapter 79, where he knows about the map.

So: The twins are walking around thinking about how to implement their plan against Rita, Dumbledore pops up out of nowhere looking for some good gossip, sees their plans, seizes the opportunity. The exact implementation could either be a memory charm (maybe trap her when she shows up at Mary's room looking for gossip about Amelia Bones, Dumbledore's ally), or else Dumbledore could actually pull off the acts Quirrell calls impossible.

Comment author: gwern 17 March 2012 03:18:10AM 0 points [-]

Easy: he's in the habit of routinely reading their mind.

Hold on - didn't Lawful Good Dumbledore make a big deal earlier in the Snape fight that he didn't invade student's minds?

Comment author: LucasSloan 17 March 2012 03:22:05AM 5 points [-]

He promised that Snape would not read student's minds.

Comment author: Xachariah 17 March 2012 08:44:57AM 5 points [-]

Also, they aren't students. They're Fred and George.

Comment author: LucasSloan 16 March 2012 07:33:54PM 8 points [-]

The twins didn't brainwash Rita, they paid somebody to do it for them.

Comment author: Anubhav 17 March 2012 02:29:01AM 3 points [-]

was it worth it to make such a hubbub with such a supremely, well, boring answer?

Yes. That was the point of the whole incident.