DanArmak comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 10 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: cultureulterior 16 March 2012 06:19:44PM *  11 points [-]

If Harry does not manage to find the real culprit, then how does he save Hermione from having her wand broken?

Breakout/Direct Attack on the Wizengamot / Malfoy Manor

  • Transfigure a one-atom line of antimatter through the earth's crust all the way to the Wizengamot or Malfoy Manor, and then a small bubble there. His wand is then touching the item to be transformed, and it will work.

  • Go to Azkaban and round up a few hundred dementors.

Stealth

  • Transferring the cloak of invisibility to her somehow.

Bringing Hermione under the aegis of a noble house

  • Adoption or marriage
Comment author: DanArmak 16 March 2012 06:38:31PM *  0 points [-]

Go to Azkaban and round up a few hundred dementors.

Harry would never use dementors as his army.

Bringing Hermione under the aegis of a noble house

Adoption or marriage

Problem one, Dumbledore is Harry's legal guardian and would need to approve such acts. Problem two, there is then a blood debt from House Potter to House Malfoy, so maybe Harry has his wand snapped instead of Hermione, and how is that any better?

Comment author: cultureulterior 16 March 2012 06:51:48PM 4 points [-]

I'm assuming that the evidentiary standards are higher for conflicts between noble houses. I could also imagine a trial by combat alternative.

Comment author: Locke 16 March 2012 07:29:09PM 8 points [-]

As much as I'd love it, there's no chance of a trial by combat. "If we did it your way, Kingslayer, you'd win. We're not doing it your way."

Comment author: DanArmak 16 March 2012 07:39:59PM 7 points [-]

I'm assuming that the evidentiary standards are higher for conflicts between noble houses

I'm getting the sense there isn't an evidentiary standard at all, not in any case. Each side argues their case and presents whatever evidence they like, and then the Wizengamot votes whatever the hell they feel like, nonwithstanding evidence to the contrary. Remember what Draco told Potter back at the train station: the Malfoys can get out of any accusations before the Wizengamot, like a non-noble accusing Draco of rape, simply because they've got the votes. Or the case with clearing Hagrid of blame: Quirrel said it would go ahead "because Lucius would have no reason to oppose it" (my words).

Comment author: DanArmak 16 March 2012 07:06:51PM 0 points [-]

What, Lord (Harry) Potter against Lord Lucius Malfoy? What a fine trial by combat that would be.

Comment author: Locke 16 March 2012 07:34:16PM 0 points [-]

No, they'd be allowed champions, and Dumbledore would win.

Comment author: DanArmak 16 March 2012 07:36:50PM 6 points [-]

If it were that easy, Lucius couldn't contest Dumbledore politically. I suppose the Wizengamot would have to rule to adjudicate by combat, and they won't in an apparently clearcut murder attempt case.

Comment author: cultureulterior 16 March 2012 07:31:57PM 0 points [-]

Well, for underage wizards, they get a champion, obviously. Dumbledore or Quirrel, I'd assume.

Comment author: Anubhav 17 March 2012 02:37:07AM *  1 point [-]

Go to Azkaban and round up a few hundred dementors.

Harry would never use dementors as his army.

Before the Heaven's Feel arc, you mean.

Comment author: QuicklyStarfish 17 March 2012 10:13:29AM *  4 points [-]

Can somebody dereference "Heaven's Feel arc" for those of us who aren't familiar with it?

Comment author: gwern 17 March 2012 03:18:53PM *  0 points [-]

Fate/Stay Night comes up in MoR as the franchise whose Fuyuki City trips up Quirrel in the interrogation*; the 'Heaven's Feel' route is one possible plot in the FSN franchise. Plot summary, ref is probably to evil-Sakura's 'army of shadows', which matches up well with Dementors.

* I looked it up, and Quirrel's visit there in 1983 or whatever would have coincided with the birth of a few minor characters but nothing else important in the FSN universe, as far as I could tell.