MarkusRamikin comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 10 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MarkusRamikin 17 March 2012 01:58:44PM 0 points [-]

I'm a little embarassed to ask this, but could someone please point me to where exactly in the story it's explained about Occlumency beating Veritaserum? I'm trying to find it, I think I managed to search out every instance of the word Veritaserum, and I only keep running into sentences that sound like it should already be obvious to the reader.

Comment author: pedanterrific 17 March 2012 04:16:54PM 1 point [-]

I can't for the life of me find anything earlier than Chapter 47's offhanded-seeming

And Father couldn't testify under Veritaserum because he was an Occlumens, he couldn't even get Dumbledore put on trial, [...]

which comes right before

"I was trained by Mr. Bester. Professor Quirrell set it up. Look, Draco, I'll take one drop of Veritaserum if you can get it, I'm just warning you that I'm an Occlumens. Not a perfect Occlumens, but Mr. Bester said I was putting up a complete block, and I could probably beat Veritaserum."

I know the Occlumency > Veritaserum thing is canon, but it seems like it wasn't actually explained or foreshadowed in this fic until it became plot-relevant, which seems a little sloppy.

Comment author: MarkusRamikin 18 March 2012 06:37:24AM 0 points [-]

Hm... I can't find it in canon, either. HP Wiki cites Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix as the source, but I've scanned for all instances of verita and occlu and still no luck. Curses!

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