HungryTurtle comments on Rationally Irrational - Less Wrong

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Comment author: HungryTurtle 09 March 2012 11:27:41PM *  -2 points [-]

One: what is your evidence that humans are "irrational by nature", and how do you define this irrationality.

Do you think humans can avoid interpreting the world symbolically? I do not. The human body, the human brain is hardwired to create symbols. Symbols are irrational. If symbols are irrational, and humans are unable to escape symbols, then humans are fundamentally irrational. That said, I should have added to my above statement that humans are also rational by nature.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 March 2012 11:55:09PM 4 points [-]

humans are also rational by nature.

Humans are irrational by nature

Why isn't this just a contradiction? In virtue of what are these two sentences compatible?

Comment author: Gastogh 11 March 2012 07:30:34AM 0 points [-]

I think they're compatible in that the inaccurate phrasing of the original statement doesn't reflect the valid idea behind it. Yobi is right: it's not a clean split into black and white, though the original statement reads like it is. I think it would've been better phrased as, "There are rational sides to humans. There are also irrational sides to humans." The current phrasing suggests the simultaneous presence of two binary states, which would be a contradiction.

Comment author: Swimmer963 10 March 2012 11:13:05PM 1 point [-]

Symbols are irrational. If symbols are irrational, and humans are unable to escape symbols, then humans are fundamentally irrational.

In what sense do you mean that symbols are irrational? Is it because they only imperfectly represent the world that is "really out there?" Is there a better option for humans/hypothetical other-minds to use instead of symbols?

Comment author: HungryTurtle 06 April 2012 05:26:11PM -1 points [-]

Symbols by definition are analogies to reality. Analogies are not rationally based, they are rhetorically based. Rhetoric is by no means rational in the sense that this community uses the word. Therefore language is by definition irrational.

Is there a better option for humans/hypothetical other-minds to use instead of symbols?

No, that is my point. Humans have no other way to relate to reality. The idea of a better option is a fiction of essentialist philosophy.