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Comment author: Jack 14 April 2009 08:41:23PM 4 points [-]

Google "Overton Window".

Comment author: PhilGoetz 14 April 2009 09:59:51PM 1 point [-]

Very interesting. Wikipedia: "Priming the public with fringe ideas intended to be and remain unacceptable, will make the real target ideas seem more acceptable by comparison." This is a slightly different strategy than the Daily Kos article describes.

What I read doesn't say this, but I think part of the Republican Overton window strategy is to have lots of loose cannons like Rush Limbaugh who state extreme positions. The Republican party can say "You naughty boy, Rush!" and disclaim everything he says, but still benefit from it.

Comment author: William 14 April 2009 10:55:37PM 2 points [-]

This also shows the dangers of such a method--if Rush gets too powerful, it goes from "You naughty boy, Rush!" to "You naughty boy, critic of Rush!", like what's happening now with respect to Michael Steele. And too much extremism can result in evaporative cooling.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 14 April 2009 11:03:46PM 1 point [-]

Evaporative cooling?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 14 April 2009 11:12:50PM 3 points [-]
Comment author: PhilGoetz 15 April 2009 01:12:14AM *  1 point [-]

Why would the moderates, rather than the extremists, be the high-energy particles?

Comment author: arundelo 15 April 2009 03:19:47AM 5 points [-]

Because otherwise the metaphor doesn't work.

Comment author: Technologos 15 April 2009 03:56:57AM 1 point [-]

They don't necessarily have to be--but then it should be easy to identify the radicals, as they go off to start their own groups.

If there is another group close to the moderates, say another political party, they may go join that one since that would be more straightforward than waiting for the extremists (who also may have more affective attachment to the label) to leave.

Comment author: byrnema 14 April 2009 11:03:24PM 0 points [-]

If this is a 3rd theory, a working model that is consistent with all them would include short range attraction (group response), medium length repulsion (outgroup response) and long-range attraction (going closer isn't so bad because you're so far from the fringe).

Comment author: JulianMorrison 14 April 2009 09:47:55PM -1 points [-]

Interesting feature of dragging the window: the tactics that move it are aimed outside it. They're completely unsaleable - but still have a factual impact.