Yvain comments on Risks from AI and Charitable Giving - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Yvain 15 March 2012 07:36:42PM *  11 points [-]

Well, we have to distinguish between social and epistemic spheres.

Socially it would be rude to exclude you from the debate or to say you don't have a right to discuss these issues, especially when reading the Sequences is so time-consuming.

Epistemically, of course if you haven't read the strongest arguments in favor of the importance of Friendly AI, you're less likely to be right when you say it's not important, and if gaining knowledge is time-consuming, then you either consume that time or continue lacking that knowledge.

Now there's something tricky going on here. I can think of two extreme cases. The first is related to the courtier's reply where some theist says an atheist can't make atheist arguments unless she's read every theologian from St. Augustine on and knows apologetics backwards and forwards; this is unfair and I think what you're talking about. The second is where someone who knows nothing about medicine tries to argue with a neurosurgeon about his technique and the neurosurgeon tells him that he hasn't been to medical school or read any of the literature on neurosurgery and so his opinions are completely meaningless; this one seems very fair and I would agree with the neurosurgeon.

I'm not really sure where the key difference lies, or which extreme this case falls into. But I asked if you'd read the Sequences for two reasons.

First, because I believed more or less what you believe now before I read the Sequences, and the Sequences changed my mind. If you've read the Sequences, then you might have found a flaw I missed and I should investigate what you're saying further; if not, the simplest explanation is that you're wrong for the same reasons I was wrong when I was in your position, and if you were to read the Sequences you'd have the same change of heart I did.

And second, because if you'd read the Sequences it would be worth debating some of these points with you; but since you haven't looked at a much better piece that debates these points, I would recommend you do that instead, which would save me some time and make you more likely to be convinced. I realize that the Sequences are long, but that's because supporting Eliezer's view of Friendly AI is complicated and takes at least that long: I couldn't write a reply to your thoughts which is as convincing as Eliezer's in less space than it took Eliezer to write his. There's a reason textbooks on neurosurgery aren't light reading.