GLaDOS comments on How would you take over Rome? - Less Wrong

25 Post author: Yvain 14 March 2012 04:24PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (200)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: Logos01 16 March 2012 02:35:22PM 0 points [-]

Silly Logos01. Do you think you will get any of this done in a Constitutional Republic?

Well, I'd start out as god-emperor and dictator for life, but I'd try to keep myself from having an actual successor... (even if it didn't really work, just introducing the notion would eventually cause it to stabilize to that effect.)

or people following anything but the forms of your proposed system of government. Social engineering is hard.

Indeed. Luckily these folks would not yet have been immunized to Nazi-style propaganda campaigns or other forms of indoctrination. This is one additional reason why I focused on propaganda and publication. I'd expect to face certain failure in achieving the total optimal result, but could at the very least implement a tendency towards these models.

If I treat myself as an aberration to the system, and create a power structure that could survive me -- assuming I had a good fifty or so years to institutionalize it in the eyes and ears of mankind, I could spend the last ten or fifteen years gradually introducing the parliamentary rule; handing over more and more political power to the Senate in a graceful manner, until I'm seen as more of an advisory role than an actual power figure. That would be an end-state goal, though.

Comment author: GLaDOS 21 March 2012 08:14:19PM *  5 points [-]

Luckily these folks would not yet have been immunized to Nazi-style propaganda campaigns or other forms of indoctrination.

I'm having a hard time thinking of any population that is. I mean sure we won't see a rise in Nazism in our life times but that's because the Nazi's lost the war, not because people became immune to their propaganda techniques. If anything modern propaganda techniques are much better and we are even more helpless against them.

Comment author: Logos01 22 March 2012 07:18:01PM 1 point [-]

I'm having a hard time thinking of any population that is [...] immune to their propaganda techniques.

Immunized != Immune.

If anything modern propaganda techniques are much better and we are even more helpless against them.

It's an arms-race. Nazi-style propagandizing included use of radio and television, and control over print media, as well as sponsored postings of visual posters and the like in public spaces. These things are what I was referring to; and people today are relatively immune to such "crass" techniques, which is why modern propaganda techniques are so much more sophisticated: the "old" ones stopped being sufficiently effective.

If we consider propaganda a form of virulent memeplex, then the immunological model describes quite well the history of and reactions to various forms of propaganda by the common populace over time: first there is exposure to a new "strain", and then people become resistant to it in a very similar manner to how we become resistant to various viruses.

Comment author: gwern 22 March 2012 07:43:23PM 5 points [-]

I wonder if anyone has ever studied Third World propaganda campaigns over time to demonstrate an 'evolution' which recapitulates Western evolution in propaganda?

(I mention this because I saw recently the old example of Liberia's Charles Taylor who was elected when he 'campaigned on the slogan "He killed my ma, he killed my pa, but I will vote for him."'. Of course, his landslide was probably due to "the belief that he would resume the war if he lost." which is why one would want multiple countries. Do they all show this sort of phenomenon where laughably crude propaganda and campaigning works initially and is slowly replaced by subtler psy-ops, or is there no evolution because crude propaganda works best on those of low IQ, say?)

Comment author: khafra 27 March 2012 05:06:02PM 1 point [-]

I would imagine that any researcher who confirmed such an effect would refrain from publishing, and instead become the supreme dictator of some third world country.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 May 2012 10:57:54PM 0 points [-]

Dictator? You mean campaign manager.