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Comment author: aaronsw 06 August 2012 11:50:08AM 5 points [-]

Offhand, can you think of a specific test that you think ought to be applied to a specific idiosyncratic view?

Well, for example, if EY is so confident that he's proven "MWI is obviously true - a proposition far simpler than the argument for supporting SIAI", he should try presenting his argument to some skeptical physicists. Instead, it appears the physicists who have happened to run across his argument found it severely flawed.

How rational is it to think that you've found a proof most physicists are wrong and then never run it by any physicists to see if you're right?

My read on your comment is: LWers don't act humble, therefore they are crackpots.

I do not believe that.

As for why SI's approach is dangerous, I think Holden put it well in the most upvoted post on the site.

I'm not trying to be inflammatory, I just find it striking.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 06 August 2012 10:02:25PM *  0 points [-]

I agree that EY is probably overconfident in MWI, although I'm uniformed about QM so I can't say much with confidence. I don't think it's accurate to damn all of Less Wrong because of this. For example, this post questioning the sequence was voted up highly.

I don't think EY claims to have any original insights pointing to MWI. I think he's just claiming that the state of the evidence in physics is such that MWI is obviously correct, and this is evidence as to the irrationality of physicists. I'm not too sure about this myself.

As for why SI's approach is dangerous, I think Holden put it well in the most upvoted post on the site.

Well there have been responses to that point (here's one). I wish you'd be a bit more self-skeptical and actually engage with that (ongoing) debate instead of summarizing your view on it and dismissing LW because it largely disagrees with your view.

Comment author: aaronsw 06 August 2012 10:43:02PM 5 points [-]

It seems a bit bizarre to say I've dismissed LessWrong given how much time I've spent here lately.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 07 August 2012 12:49:21AM 0 points [-]

Fair enough.