hankx7787 comments on Global warming is a better test of irrationality that theism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: hankx7787 16 March 2012 06:22:04PM 6 points [-]

I looked into this issue and found no conclusive evidence of any global warming, let alone AGW or any catastrophic warming trends. Granted, this was several years ago. So where's the evidence? links?

Comment author: buybuydandavis 17 March 2012 09:46:32PM 5 points [-]

A global temperature trend data set based on satellite data that I consider reliable is maintained at:

http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

The data goes back to 1978. The last 6 months or so look like a particularly high variance, low trend period, which leaves me thinking that when the variance dies down, we may see a significant shift in the 5-10 year trend line.

The guy has been a skeptic, but has accepted that his data shows a warming trend, though on the lowest end of the UN commission's estimated ranges, coming in at about 0.13C per decade.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 17 March 2012 10:21:37PM 6 points [-]

There's this presentation by Richard Lindzen to the British House of Commons explaining why the predictions of catastrophic consequence of global warming are BS.

Comment author: FiftyTwo 17 March 2012 05:20:11AM 6 points [-]

I upvoted you (from -1), not because I agree with your conclusion but because you're asking for additional information to inform your decision, which should be celebrated not punished on Less wrong.

Comment author: steven0461 16 March 2012 07:56:09PM 7 points [-]

There's an entire climate blogosphere out there, full of people who know more and care more, and I see no reason for people to rehash the debate here.

Comment author: CarlShulman 16 March 2012 08:10:36PM *  2 points [-]

Here's an article by William Nordhaus, a climate economist often attacked by people like Joe Romm for arguing for a slower path of carbon emissions reduction than others.

Key graph here. It's hard to do a thorough search and miss such things.

Comment author: Vladimir_M 17 March 2012 08:42:56PM 7 points [-]

Here's an article by William Nordhaus, a climate economist often attacked by people like Joe Romm for arguing for a slower path of carbon emissions reduction than others.

In this article, Nordhaus says that because there is no outright Soviet-style repression against dissenters in the academia, it's absurd to suppose that dissenters might be afraid to speak their mind. Regardless of whether his overall positions about global warming are correct, Nordhaus is being either naive or disingenuous here. Clearly there are many ways in which expressing contrarian opinions might be deadly for one's academic career, and which don't involve any open persecution (or even any open formal condemnation by the official institutions).

Comment author: JoshuaZ 19 March 2012 02:14:47AM *  3 points [-]

Nordhaus's position to me seems to be stronger than you make it out to be. Here's the thing: even in the Soviet repression some academics risked their lives to speak out. You'd expect at least that much speaking out then among academics in the relevant fields when all they have to risk is their academic careers. Yet, in the relevant disciplines, one doesn't see much of any at all. Similarly, if repression of some form were serious, one would expect that the tenure system would cause more people to be free to speak out and one would expect a lot more vocal expressions of dissent from tenured professors than non-tenured faculty, but there doesn't seem to be such a pattern.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 19 March 2012 02:38:04AM 3 points [-]

You'd expect at least that much speaking out then among academics in the relevant fields when all they have to risk is their academic careers.

Well, this is an example that I linked to elsewhere in this thread.

Comment author: hankx7787 16 March 2012 08:36:32PM *  1 point [-]

I appreciate someone at least providing some evidence :P

However, this article doesn't address the criticism that the temperature graph is flawed/inaccurate as I have seen persuasively argued. I don't have any resources on hand since I looked into this years ago.

If you want to make the case that this issue is a rationality "litmus test", then not only should you really be providing some evidence, but you should be showing that the arguments against the evidence are wrong, too. You should be able to make a pretty unequivocal case, right?

Comment author: CarlShulman 16 March 2012 09:29:43PM 7 points [-]

I'm going to take Steven's advice below and not recap climate discussion here. However, if you want to do your own research and make a large-stakes bet about persuading some designated neutral judges on the extent of warming in the last 100 years, structured to express the disagreement, I would probably be keen to take it.