gwern comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 11 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanArmak 19 March 2012 08:11:11PM 5 points [-]

I would expect a Vow only binds you to tell the truth as you know it at that moment. Nevertheless:

"I vow that to the best of my knowledge in the past XXX. I also vow that if I ever discover evidence that this is false and I had been Obliviated or Memory Charmed to enable me to make this vow today, I will come tell you all about it and submit to your judgement with a specified possible penalty."

So you can at least bind yourself irrevocably to your new position.

if it did, you'd expect officials of some stripe to have such Vows as matters of course and we don't see that

Of course not, the high-grade politician doesn't exist who could vow that they'd been honest upstanding citizens all their lives :-)

If IRL we discovered a really reliable neurological lie detector, it would be used by police and courts, but do you really think politicians and CEOs would ever submit to it?

Comment author: gwern 19 March 2012 08:41:36PM 2 points [-]

If IRL we discovered a really reliable neurological lie detector, it would be used by police and courts, but do you really think politicians and CEOs would ever submit to it?

I'd expect some CEOs would submit to it and their stock would be rewarded for it.

Comment author: Jello_Raptor 20 March 2012 02:35:12AM 2 points [-]

To boot, I would be very surprised if people elected politicians who hadn't submitted to the lie detector after it had the cultural time to sink in.

People with foresight would work very hard to discredit it before that happened though.

Comment author: loserthree 20 March 2012 04:04:40PM 1 point [-]

We might not know if they already had.