75th comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 11 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: 75th 20 March 2012 02:04:22AM *  12 points [-]

I'd like to point out something awesome Eliezer did in the previous chapter, "Cheating". In canon, Potions as a discipline is hardly taught at all. The only thing you ever see Snape do in the books is give a list of ingredients and instructions, tell the class how long the class period is, and assign papers at the end of the class. This is one example of how J.K. Rowling wasn't really invested in developing the mythology of the universe, except as strictly necessary to make her plots happen. (There's nothing wrong with that; they're children's books, not "real" fantasy for adults.)

With the "Cheating" chapter, rather than trying to create a whole framework of Potions rules to understand as he's done elsewhere, he simply added a darn good explanation that legitimizes everything Rowling already showed us. When Hermione lectures Harry on "understanding the principles" in Half-Blood Prince, instead of scoffing about how there's never been evidence of any principles to learn, we can now imagine that there's a very good reason why Harry is never taught the principles of potion-making: if you're not smart, thoughtful, and careful enough to figure them out for yourself, you have absolutely no business knowing them at all.

When compared side-by-side as if they're in the same genre and directed toward the same audience, Methods of Rationality often makes the books look worse than they used to look. But in this case, future readings of the books will be made a little bit better. I wonder whether there are other ways that's true that I haven't noticed yet.

Comment author: Xachariah 20 March 2012 11:30:40PM 10 points [-]

Seconded. In retrospect, the Canon teaching of potions now seems incredibly practical. The vast majority of students not only don't need to learn the theory, but it's a negative for them to do so. They only need to learn two things: 1) how to make the potions they'll use every day and 2) whether or not they even can make those potions or if they should just buy them from someone else. Constant repetition with minimal instruction is exactly what you need for a class that's more akin to cooking instead of calculus.

Comment author: anandjeyahar 22 March 2012 05:09:58PM 0 points [-]

Only this can be considered a condescending attitude. And more importantly can drive some intelligent students to moonlight through schooling :-)

Comment author: moritz 20 March 2012 08:15:13AM 5 points [-]

Potions is not the only thing that's neglected in canon; Transfiguration is also "just" taught but never used (except by the teachers). I love it that Harry!MoR puts Transfiguration to good use; after all it seems to be the most general magic manipulation.

It feels a bit as if canon and MoR aren't the same fiction subgenre. Canon is about a boy growing up, about action and an isolated society that still parallels the muggle society in many ways. MoR is more about discovering the magical world and about complicated plotting.

Comment author: Celer 23 March 2012 01:59:33AM 3 points [-]

I never viewed them as really belonging in the same genre. Canon is character focused adolesence tale, MoR is plot focused epic fantasy.

Comment author: MatthewBaker 24 March 2012 11:03:28AM -2 points [-]

All I got from this is HarryMoRt*