BlackNoise comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 11 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gwern 23 March 2012 03:08:59AM *  9 points [-]

Also, it would need to be explained why no one ever thought of this before.

Yeah, I was going 'wow, that might actually work' and then it occurred to me that they already discussed whether they had any debts from Lucius they could call in. So unless this is so subtle that no one has ever called in such a debt before, someone must have been holding an idiotball.

EDIT: Logos01 suggests that the debt be invoked of all the Wizengamot members who also claimed to be Imperiused, to swing the vote on whether or not to convict. This might work, but I would personally dislike it as we have no idea how many such people there are.

Comment author: BlackNoise 23 March 2012 03:54:04PM 1 point [-]

Technically, the numbers don't have to work out - Lucius is the one on who's request the trial be held, If his debt can make him withdraw charges or clear Hermione's debt, that alone should suffice.

Still, while this is a clever idea, it doesn't sound very "Taboo Trade-off" or "Think of the Wizengamot as individuals instead of wallpaper".

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 24 March 2012 05:50:34AM 1 point [-]

How about: invoke Lucius's life debt. Trade it for Hermione's.

Comment author: gwern 23 March 2012 04:22:03PM 1 point [-]

If his debt can make him withdraw charges or clear Hermione's debt, that alone should suffice.

You misunderstand, the point is there are 2 possible debt strategies; for one of them, the numbers do have to work out.

"Think of the Wizengamot as individuals instead of wallpaper".

I'd say Logos01's strategy exemplifies thinking of them as individuals, actually...