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Can you provide some specific tips on this one? I've tried to do this in discussions with non-LW people, and it comes off looking bizarre at best and rude at worst. (See also: this comment, which is basically what ends up happening.) Have you been able to implement this technique in discussions, and if so, how did you do it while adhering to social norms/not aggravating your discussion partners?
It gets better when you disagree with your opponent that they were justified in agreeing with you...
Oh, absolutely. This is why I don't like being in discussions with people who hold the same position as I do but for different reasons--saying that a particular argument in favor of our position is wrong sounds like arrogance and/or betrayal.
I was thinking more of a case where people agree out of politeness, and you have reason to believe they didn't properly understand your position.
Oh, I see. I don't think that's ever happened me, although I have had people try to end conversations with "everyone's entitled to their own beliefs" or "there's no right answer to this question, it's just your opinion" and my subsequent haggling turned the discussion sour.
It was weird the first few times when I had a cluster of people agreeing with me, spent time there, and then started to collect counter arguments. People are better tested with disagreements, than just holding similar end-views. A belief held for the wrong reasons can easily be changed. It gets a bit weird when you start fixing your opponents arguments against your own position.