Incorrect comments on 6 Tips for Productive Arguments - Less Wrong

30 Post author: John_Maxwell_IV 18 March 2012 09:02PM

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Comment author: Incorrect 19 March 2012 05:01:33AM *  0 points [-]

I don't see how it breaks neutrality if you frame the debate in a non-fallacious perspective.

If your arguer is experienced enough to see what you're doing, he will challenge you on it probably in a way that will result in a flame war.

Can't it end in a peaceful back-and-forth until we have agreed on a common frame?

Comment author: Zaine 19 March 2012 05:13:10AM 1 point [-]

If I'm interpreting his objection correctly, I think the framing enables potential and possibly unknown biases to corrupt the entire process. The other party (parties) may consciously think they agree on a particular frame, but some buried bias or unknown belief may be incompatible with the frame, and will end up rejecting it.

Comment author: Incorrect 19 March 2012 05:16:52AM 0 points [-]

Well, then they can tell you they made a mistake and actually reject the frame explaining why and you will have learned about their position allowing you to construct a new frame.

Comment author: Zaine 19 March 2012 05:27:28AM 1 point [-]

Indeed, though I wonder whether they will not themselves be able to express why often enough to warrant a complete omission of the framing step in favor of immediate hypothetical probing, and even that assumes they'll realize the frame is inaccurate before the argument ends and each go their separate way.